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The missile's interior has been completely burned out, and the warhead is nowhere to be found. Yet the Indians can still glean significant design principles and material analysis from these wreckage, can't they? However, it's worth noting that the most challenging aspects are often those that cannot be replicated even with complete blueprints and actual products—like aircraft engines, lithography machines, and AI algorithms. You wouldn't think missiles are that easy to copy, would you?

PeaceKrieger424 said:

These commets, like the one below, are just underestimating your opponent/adversary/counterpart.

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that's truth, he talked about the past, he didn't say they'll never be capable of doing so. Reports about india's benefiting from the PL-15 after a couple of months, is just trying to affect china's cooperation with pakistan, they didn't achieve anything yet.

Even with an intact PL-15E given to the Indians, they cannot replicate it.

If Koenigsegg were to give me the blueprints to their latest car and give me a sample, I could not build one.

India lacks the base industry and science/tech institutions and capabilities/awareness/mastery to replicate it. They are unable to manufacture the same components to the same degree. They can figure out perhaps the parameters of performance and get some ideas about what to do, perhaps even they have better ideas of their own. That's it. Replicating it is difficult and sometimes pointless.

The only sensitive thing out of the PL-15E wrecks that India has is probably just giving away some lessons in missile construction, basically all it gives Indian engineers are some pointers, many of which they would know already or possibly even have better ideas of their own. Wrecks also wont teach you how to defeat it since the wrecks don't give you access to the software, the exact performance of the rocket motor, the exact fuel composition and the guidance section is blown from the warhead.

The political and media narratives are just for morons and the non-military aware populace. All intended for political engineering, nothing more. Technically, PL-15E wrecks in Indian hands is the nothing burger of nothing burgers.

ougoah said:

Do you have proof on intact PL-15?

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Q:"...Indian side recovered an undetonated PL-15E air-air missile during the India-Pakistan conflict. Can you confirm this? Will this give the Indian side assess to relevant military technology?"

Zhang Xiaogang: ......On your second question, the type of missile you mentioned is for export and has also been exhibited in international and domestic defense expos multiple times.

PeaceKrieger424 said:

Q:"...Indian side recovered an undetonated PL-15E air-air missile during the India-Pakistan conflict. Can you confirm this? Will this give the Indian side assess to relevant military technology?"

Zhang Xiaogang: ......On your second question, the type of missile you mentioned is for export and has also been exhibited in international and domestic defense expos multiple times.

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lol.

Mate, seriously? Do you know what proof means? If the Chinese response is "yes we can confirm India recovered an undetonated PL-15E missile" then I'll take this as proof.

What the Chinese side said was:





This translates to:

"we don't know what Indians supposedly recovered so I'll take this opportunity to say some boring political lines and then just talk about what a PL-15E is"

The Chinese guy never even answered the question probably because even if it were true, China wouldn't know. It would have been recovered by India, inside India, how tf you figure China would know unless it has spies feeding that information or Pakistani spies with that info feeding China. If that were the case, they wouldn't comment on it anyway. It takes some crazy leaps of logic to conclude with this being proof of anything. Apply some critical thinking.

So again I'm asking you to show us any evidence of India recovering undetonated PL-15E. All we know is that India did find some detonated PL-15 wrecks when they brought down at least 4 Indian airforce fighters which are:

at least 2x Rafales (confirmed by multiple and multiple angle videos and photos of Indians on Indian side showing Rafale parts and 2x M88 wrecks)
at least 1x Su-30MKI (confirmed by multiple and multiple angle videos and photos of Indians on Indian side talking about the aircraft being an Indian airforce twin seat fighter, also confirmed by Su-30MKI parts, another piece of evidence is Russian ejection seat)
at least 1x Mig-29 (confirmed by a few photos showing what appears to be Mig-29 vertical stabiliser and Russian ejection seat)
at least 1x Mirage 2000 (confirmed by MICA missile and Mirage 2000 pylon next to fighter wreck)

None of the videos and photos referred to above are of old (pre May 2025) IAF wrecks. This is something both India and Pakistan sometimes use to present as "evidence". No one else has done this except India and Pakistan, presenting other events as proof. India recently presented Yemen strike as Indian strike on Pakistan. Talk about pathetic.

ougoah said:

I'll take this opportunity to say some boring political lines"

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This again is your take on what the Spoekesperson for the Chinese Ministry of Defense said.

My take on his statement is that "we neither want to confirm nor deny your claim" hence the vague statement.
I meintain my comment that the indian side CLAIMS to be in posession of "intact" - sugessting indian interpretation - PL-15.

PeaceKrieger424 said:

"intact" PL-15

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Indian's have their domestic audiance to satisfy and tbh so does Pakistan. China has a steak in this for their weapon system is the one which performed darn well.

So rather than just commenting for the "galleries", one could perhaps discuss regarding is the PL-17 self-destructive already. Just saying.

PeaceKrieger424 said:

This again is your take on what the Spoekesperson for the Chinese Ministry of Defense said.

My take on his statement is that "we neither want to confirm nor deny your claim" hence the vague statement.
I meintain my comment that the indian side CLAIMS to be in posession of "intact" - sugessting indian interpretation - PL-15.



Indian's have their domestic audiance to satisfy and tbh so does Pakistan. China has a steak in this for their weapon system is the one which performed darn well.

So rather than just commenting for the "galleries", one could perhaps discuss regarding is the PL-17 self-destructive already. Just saying.

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This isn't what you said before.

You claimed with certainty that India has undetonated PL-15E. I asked for proof, you failed to present any.

Even with undetonated PL-15E, it is an old export missile. I do hope India has undetonated sample of PL-15E and China knows about it. It'll just push Chinese military to hasten research and development of paradigm shifting air to air weapons.

PL-15's exceeding range is speculated by credible sources to be largely software based. Yes dual pulse motors and modern energetics of course double the range of a missile that has quite similar size to the previous generation of medium range A2As. But PL-15 makes use of a greater ballistic arc, allowing the missile to "look down" midway with a greater top view of the target/s and with AESA seekers, they are just that little bit more capable of countering VLO aircraft since VLO fighters are not as stealthy from those angles. It's long been claimed that it's the software and particulars of managing its energy that makes PL-15 a good missile. Non of these ideas and concepts are strangers to even Indian missile engineers. It's implementing, incorporating and manufacturing it all that is difficult.

It's not a matter of interpretation. We're discussing something objective. There is no evidence that India has any undetonated PL-15E.

The rest of your post makes no sense in English. We were discussing PL-15s not PL-17s.

I think continuing this discussion is pointless since language appears to be a problem.

PeaceKrieger424 said:

Indian defense news channels bragging about how they've been able to reverse engineer the "intact" PL-15.

Chinese officials and analysts have sought to ease fears, stating that any reverse-engineering would offer India limited benefit since the export model lacks the more advanced systems of the domestic PL-15 version.

Irrespective which version, export or domestic, wouldn't the real technlogy of concern here be the miniature AESA seeker of the PL-15?

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Same channels claimed that PL-15 is a junk missile easily jammed by Rafale so Jai Binds gained nothing by getting intact missiles.

PS on serious note PL-15E is decade old technology. China has moved on to PL-16 with domestic production line for PL-15 shutting down later this year.

Same false propaganda on repeat. Not too long ago, another dude Zyklon came with the exact same bollywood nonsense of "intact PL-15 captured" and when pressed for evidence, he showed old pictures of the missile from Chinese research papers.

PeaceKrieger424 said:

That's your take on their opinion.
My entire point EVER was to highlight the fact that the Indians are in posession of an "intact" PL-15 and let's not rule out the possibility of them profiting from it.

These commets, like the one below, are just underestimating your opponent/adversary/counterpart.

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The only thing Chinese said was Pakistan got the PL-15E. The rest are the stupid interpretations of the reporter.