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Gloire_bb said:

Per national classification it is a destroyer. Just as Iranian destroyers.

Realistically, it isn't even all that high up among modern frigates in capability. There's little reason to separate it from other modern AA frigates, capable of doing more or less same thing.

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So would 052Cs also be AA frigates, and a good portion of the Arleigh Burkes just be oversized AA frigates? How would you define an "Aegis destroyer?." Other than having large ESA radars, long range anti-air capability, and an advanced combat management system - what other capabilities does a destroyer need to demonstrate in order to be considered an, "Aegis destroyer?"

FriedRiceNSpice said:

So would 052Cs also be AA frigates, and a good portion of the Arleigh Burkes just be oversized AA frigates? How would you define an "Aegis destroyer?." Other than having large ESA radars, long range anti-air capability, and an advanced combat management system - what other capabilities does a destroyer need to demonstrate in order to be considered an, "Aegis destroyer?"

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No, destroyers, because they do have all of the listed capabilities and can be expected to perform accordingly in fleet.
Daring doesn't: 100...150 km throw was still long range in 1990s, but we are in 2020s.
Now it's just about enough to prevent uncontested throws of boosted gliding munitions against oneself from high altitude, and that's it. For anything else, it's collective(and relatively short ranged) PGM intercept only. I.e. frigate duties.

Choe Hyon here probably won't go too far away from others; it's AA cells are just relatively small. And while it's possible to squeeze some range out of small missiles in almost technical art fashion(CAMM ER), it's still moderate frigate reach...and I doubt DPRK is doing it.

Gloire_bb said:

No, destroyers, because they do have all of the listed capabilities and can be expected to perform accordingly in fleet.
Daring doesn't: 100...150 km throw was still long range in 1990s, but we are in 2020s

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Daring and 052C are identical in terms of capabilities and even load out, so how can you consider one a destroyer but not the other? Because 052Cs missiles may have a 25km longer published range??

The size of this ship says Frigate.
But the armament screams Destroyer.

Either way this is an impressive looking ship.

Question now is whether they can build more of them and also whether they actually build a larger version with a hanger and call it a cruiser.

Valiant 1002 said:

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nice representation.
But I have a serious doubt about the caliber of the bow turret.
The 127mm was not a caliber used in North Korea, but not even by the big "friends" China and Russia, who in case of need could help in supplying ammunition and for the DPRK to access any new types of ammunition produced by the big neighbors.
It is also true that it will not be a weapon of widespread use, since it will be installed only on large naval units, but logistically it still seems like a risk to me.
Therefore I lean towards a 130mm.
The same goes for the clone of the Oto Melara 76/62 Compact, the original has a caliber and relative ammunition that have nothing in common with the 76 mm of Soviet/Russian/Chinese origin, the case is very different, therefore to use it a complete redesign of both the breech bolt, but also of the entire ammunition feeding system would be necessary.
Relatively easier would be to increase the caliber to 85mm, a caliber widely used by the DPRK also in anti-aircraft guns, furthermore the 85mm ammunition of Soviet origin is very similar to the western 76mm both in how the case is made and in its dimensions, this should facilitate the modifications to adapt the "Compact" to the new caliber.
But in any case it remains only my personal opinion.

FriedRiceNSpice said:

Daring and 052C are identical in terms of capabilities and even load out, so how can you consider one a destroyer but not the other? Because 052Cs missiles may have a 25km longer published range??

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Sampson is miniature even when compared to many frigate arrays. Which, propaganda aside, it is - compact, rotating twin-faced AESA, optimized for sea skimmers. Important and highly relevant frigate job (collective defense).
Comparing that to full 4 destroyer arrays of 052C (each comparable to both sampson faces combined) is not right (plus band).
1850 is impressive, but it is not an engagement radar.

Aster-30 is full 3 times lighter(and 50 percent shorter) than HQ-9, with warhead alone not much short of entire Aster upper stage. Aster is on the lighter side even when compared to some heavier frigate missiles (sm-2blk3; hq-16f; 9m96d). 1.4t HQ-9 is not a frigate missile.

Also, while early HQ-9 was ~180km class; current HQ-9s are over twice the range of aster (which hasn't updated, and it is already quite optimized for range).

Furthermore, HQ-9 doesn't use staging, keeping power and control throughout different flight profiles.
Which means that it's far deadlier at all ranges, even those where aster-15/30 technically can reach (camms upgrade isn't finished yet, so much of the load is aster-15 - just to avoid huge dead zone of long booster 30).

RN OtH a2a targeting is limited, too, so technically interceptors aren't that big a problem.
No need to target something crowsnest can't see.

Best Korea now has warship on par with west Europeans.

TK3600 said:

Best Korea now has warship on par with west Europeans.

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I don't think there's reason to single out anyone here(especially since European frigate construction is doing quite well, ahead of world average).
If it works as it looks, it's just on a rough world level.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Gloire_bb said:

Being larger than MF-star isn't that much of argument, this isn't an especially large or capable system that fits quite well on Sa'ar 5.
For 2020s destroyer, we're looking at big configurations of SPY-6/7 or 346, etc. Just in order to actually see - and engage in time - small return targets (ballistic, VLO planes) at OtH ranges. Also, while at it, don't look at exact size just yet. Radars are not installed yet, that's essentially guaranteed. Covers are in exact same color as ship plating around them, i.e. those are still temporary shields.

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You need to provide actual arguments instead of showing off how disingenuous you are on this topic.

Visakhapatnam-class destroyer has EL/M-2248 MF STAR radar while you mention Sa'ar-5 that has smaller variant of EL/M-2248.
If you were informed or even bothered to fact check then would know on some ships radar is same color or a shade different from hull.
Put actual effort into analyzing dimensions of Choe Hyon as you would have known array panels are at least 4 width by 5 meter height.