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sahureka

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Think again: are they really anti-submarine corvettes? I'm starting to suspect that they are actually fast attack crafts that were introduced last year...
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Yes possible, from the photos in the shipyard you can't see if those naval units have hull sonar which would be optimal for an ASW ship.
Therefore they could be FACs, an updated version of the one in the photo, at least the conformation of the superstructure that I indicate with the arrow seems to be different
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yugocrosrb95

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Curious if this new "super large" cruise missile has same clone of TRDD-50/36MT turbofan as Kumsong-3 / Hwasal-1 / Hwasal-2 / Pulhwasal-3-31.
 

Valiant 1002

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A graphic by Chinese artists of North Korea's nuclear attack submarineGBbBB6qWoAAos-F.jpg
Two differences compared to HI Sutton:
  • This artist believes that the ship still has (at least) 4 torpedo tubes in the bow, while HI Sutton believes that they have been removed.
  • The ship's arsenal will include 4 large SLBMs (Pukguksong-3?) with 6 smaller SLBMs (Pukguksong-1?), instead of 4 SLBMs and 6 SLCMs.
 
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yugocrosrb95

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Hi-Sutton stated initially as torpedo tubes being removed, but he revised that it may have some just without reloads.

But no one knows for certain.
 

sahureka

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the author drew the presence of 4 torpedo tubes in the bow, but excluded from the drawing the 2 torpedo tubes in the stern, which were present on the pr.633/Romeo class/Type 033 submarine, since many "authoritative" Osint sources indicate that the North Koreans have recycled at least the entire part from amidships to the stern of one of their submarines of that class, it would be logical to hypothesize that they also kept the 2 TLS at the stern
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Or, as another Osint writes (on another forum with the nickname "Rohirrim") who is dedicated to the history of the DPRK navy from its birth to the present day:
<<based on the photographs released during construction, it was thought to be the reconstruction of an old submarine, but in reality a completely different, interesting and unique project appeared.>>
In the DPRK shipyards they built the Type 033 in the past, who knows they may have exploited that knowledge to implement them in the new project and during the construction phase also foresee the elimination of the stern TLS.

The author of the drawing in the box of the first photo, the characteristics of the stern and the overall dimensions make it look more like the Project 629 Golf class than the Romeo class /type-033 both depicted there.
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I remember that a couple of Pr.629/Golf class, together with 6/8 Pr.641/Foxtrot class (from which the Golfs are derived) were purchased for scrapping by the DPRK at the beginning of the 90s of the last century from the Russian fleet of the Pacific which had abandoned them.
 

sahureka

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the author drew the presence of 4 torpedo tubes in the bow, but excluded from the drawing the 2 torpedo tubes in the stern, which were present on the pr.633/Romeo class/Type 033 submarine, since many "authoritative" Osint sources indicate that the North Koreans have recycled at least the entire part from amidships to the stern of one of their submarines of that class, it would be logical to hypothesize that they also kept the 2 TLS at the stern
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Or, as another Osint writes (on another forum with the nickname "Rohirrim") who is dedicated to the history of the DPRK navy from its birth to the present day:
<<based on the photographs released during construction, it was thought to be the reconstruction of an old submarine, but in reality a completely different, interesting and unique project appeared.>>
In the DPRK shipyards they built the Type 033 in the past, who knows they may have exploited that knowledge to implement them in the new project and during the construction phase also foresee the elimination of the stern TLS.

The author of the drawing in the box of the first photo, the characteristics of the stern and the overall dimensions make it look more like the Project 629 Golf class than the Romeo class /type-033 both depicted there.
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I remember that a couple of Pr.629/Golf class, together with 6/8 Pr.641/Foxtrot class (from which the Golfs are derived) were purchased for scrapping by the DPRK at the beginning of the 90s of the last century from the Russian fleet of the Pacific which had abandoned them.
I forgot to write: and that this new submarine (841) could have been built taking into account the knowledge acquired on these pr.629 Golf Class and pr. 641 Foxtrot class
 

yugocrosrb95

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There is so much difference at front and mid section of new submarine that talking about Golf and Foxtrot is nonsensical.
 

sahureka

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There is so much difference at front and mid section of new submarine that talking about Golf and Foxtrot is nonsensical.
I agree, since for the same reason it makes no sense to talk about an old Pr.633/Romeo Class or Tipo 033 rebuilt and modified.
For this reason I wrote:
"..............that this new submarine (841) could have been built taking into account the knowledge gained on these pr.629 Golf Class and pr.641 Foxtrot class" referring to the stern.
Furthermore, Kim Jong Un surprised everyone, and "841" is in fact different from all the hypothetical drawings that hypothesized its configuration published by various Osint.
So I also think that the North Koreans took advantage of the knowledge acquired from the submarines to which they had access and that they also used some structural elements and equipment already produced for the submarines of previous projects.
Materials, equipment, etc., already made, known for some time and tested in operation, are inserted and adapted into a new project.
This choice certainly accelerated construction, may have reduced some technical risks, and may have reduced construction costs.
 
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sahureka

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I ask for your opinion.
I went to look once again at the photos of the launch of the submarine "841", and it seems to me that in addition to the rudder and propellers, the North Koreans also censored the area under the keel, right under the new sail, where the silos are located missile launch.
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Could they have created a protrusion under the submarine's hull, as in Project 629/Golf class ?
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