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I generally agree the awarding process will be very fair and professional once it gets down to the actual work of evaluating the work of potential winners. My comment is more in the context of the particular time period and the circumtances of the particular case. I just found the following articles, which may put what I meant in a better context.

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Now for this particular case, during the time period, the top few guys may not be expressly acting in concert but may still be influenced in their decision to choose a particular theme for the year, especially with the last major war of the cold war still not too far behind. Of course the case is quite different now in the present time period.

Whenever people make decisions, politics of some sort is involved. that is a fact. However, in the case of Nobel Prizes, the political part is more on the part of deciding which field to focus on in each cycle. For instance, they decided to focus on malaria because many nasty little bugs are developing drug resistance. It is becoming an epidemic. thus, people on the Nobel committee might have felt that they needed to bring a little more attention to this issue, hence the focus on infectious diseases. Once that is done, everything else becomes as objective as humanly possible.

The fact that they only discovered / awarded the contribution of Chinese scientists so late had little to do with what the Nobel committee has been doing, but what the Chinese govn't had done in the 60's and 70's. Because they did not allow individual authors to be named in their publications, there was little anyone could do to figure out who did what in those classic studies. People knew it was the Chinese who made the discovery but could not pinpoint who. Since the Nobel Prize is an individual award, they could not issue it to the institution. Hence the delay. They were able to conclude Tu Youyou made the most significant contribution after extensive digging and almost immediately gave her the recognition afterward (The Lasker award in 2011 and Nobel in 2015). So the delay was more because of the old Chinese policies, not some political reason from the West.

It is a relief to know that the patent did not fall into the hands of big drug companies. I saw the documentary of the discovery on either DC or NG more than a decade ago. Everything about the people involved was nondescript: wearing Mao suits, in black and white fuzzy pictures, without modern labs, Chinese manuscripts handwritten the vertical way unlike the snazzy Western printed text. It all looked so unscientific, only empirical. But in the end, it was awe-inspiring in an unforgettable way.

As an academic, I am biased against the pharmaceutical companies. However, I would like to point out that the big drug companies are essential to our health care system. No one else has the kind of resources like the big Pharma. And many drugs had been discovered because large scale screenings have been carried out by these big Pharma. Without them, we would have had so much fewer treatment options than what we have now. Let's give them some credit. They are not all bad...

Drug vs disease is like warfare. The documentary explained that the reason the usual medicine was not working was that the virus could detect the presence of the antibiotic and therefore it activated its own defense.

Arteminisin works like stealth, the virus is remotely decimated before it has a chance to activate its own counter-measures.

I am curious as to how malaria is developing resistance to it in some places of the world.

Well, the drug resistance is actually a very natural thing. It would be completely illogical if drug resistance does not happen. It's all about evolution. This is based on a well-established fact: DNA constantly mutate, no matter what! Our DNA mutate. And the DNA of bacteria lso mutate. So it's bound to happen that at any moment, some bacteria / virus will be able to mutate their DNA in such a way that allows them to become drug resistant. In most cases, such small random mutation does not matter since the overwhelming majority of the bacteria is still prone to drugs. So the small population of mutants will die off naturally because they simply cannot compete with the rest of the 99.999999% of the population.

However, if you over-use antibiotics, the whole dynamics changes. Now, most of the "normal" bugs cannot survive since they are prone to drugs. The constant exposure to antibiotics will keep killing off the "normal" bugs, thus the proportion of the drug resistant bugs will continue to increase. This will continue to a certain point, where majority of the bugs become drug resistant. Then we have an epidemic at hand. And a perfect example of evolution working at its best!

A good comparison would be to look at how mammals dominate the Earth after the dinosaurs. Just imagine the asteroid that destroyed the dinosaurs = antibiotics; the dinosaurs = drug prone "normal" bacteria; mammals = drug resistant bacteria. Now you will see that it is only natural that bacteria develop drug resistance.

How to slow down the epidemic? Do NOT over-use antibiotics. I cannot stress this more. Do NOT over-use antibiotics. Antibiotics is the last resort. Use it only when nothing else works. The more antibiotics that you use, the more you are literally helping the bacteria develop drug resistance. You are literally providing a favorable environment to hand-pick those drug resistant bacteria to survive and to thrive. So no more antibiotic handsoap "that kills 99.9999% of bacteria"!
 
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Colonel
The fact that they only discovered / awarded the contribution of Chinese scientists so late had little to do with what the Nobel committee has been doing, but what the Chinese govn't had done in the 60's and 70's. Because they did not allow individual authors to be named in their publications, there was little anyone could do to figure out who did what in those classic studies. People knew it was the Chinese who made the discovery but could not pinpoint who. Since the Nobel Prize is an individual award, they could not issue it to the institution. Hence the delay. They were able to conclude Tu Youyou made the most significant contribution after extensive digging and almost immediately gave her the recognition afterward (The Lasker award in 2011 and Nobel in 2015). So the delay was more because of the old Chinese policies, not some political reason from the West.



As an academic, I am biased against the pharmaceutical companies. However, I would like to point out that the big drug companies are essential to our health care system. No one else has the kind of resources like the big Pharma. And many drugs had been discovered because large scale screenings have been carried out by these big Pharma. Without them, we would have had so much fewer treatment options than what we have now. Let's give them some credit. They are not all bad...

I heard in all publications back then they have to write a foreword thanking Mao for the insights his revolutionary thoughts gave, or whatever.

What is your opinion regarding mental health, are pharmaceutical companies developing effective solutions with regarding to these kind of problems or whether only to supress symptoms, has mental health problems been increasing in modern periods or whether it is just more awareness, or just drug companies making a bigger problem than it actually is?
 

B.I.B.

Captain
How to slow down the epidemic? Do NOT over-use antibiotics. I cannot stress this more. Do NOT over-use antibiotics. Antibiotics is the last resort. Use it only when nothing else works. The more antibiotics that you use, the more you are literally helping the bacteria develop drug resistance. You are literally providing a favorable environment to hand-pick those drug resistant bacteria to survive and to thrive. So no more antibiotic handsoap "that kills 99.9999% of bacteria"![/QUOTE]
To continue, those places that have drug resistant malaria would be the places that tend to over-use anti-malaria drugs.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
Somehow my previous post to vesicles got screwed up.

Heres what I meant to say.......

They reckon that half the antibiotics used in the States alone is used in agriculture to promote more efficient feed usage and animal growth.So i guess Asia would use a fair amount as well in the Pork and Chicken farms.

I love shrimps and prawns but avoid farmed shrimps like the plague especially from Asia and Mexico.Periodically, farmed shrimps from India Thailand Vietnam China, when tested, have returned higher than whats acceptable levels of antibiotics too hard for me to spell or remember.


WE should let our bodies build up a natural resistance to mild infections. These days we live in super insulated homes so that we dont get the sniffles, shower far too often and wash the good bacteria off our bodies.

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vesicles

Colonel
What is your opinion regarding mental health, are pharmaceutical companies developing effective solutions with regarding to these kind of problems or whether only to supress symptoms, has mental health problems been increasing in modern periods or whether it is just more awareness, or just drug companies making a bigger problem than it actually is?

I don't think I'm in position to comment a lot on the mental health since I know very little of psychology. With that said, I do know a little about neuroscience and electrophysiology. And the physiology of our brain has not changed since the old days. So it's less likely that we are seeing an increase in mental diseases.

It is my opinion that we are simply recognizing more issues as mental diseases, instead of just "plain crazy or possessed by spirits" back in the good ole days. I don't think big pharma is doing anything to worsen the issue. Most of what the pharma do is based on decades of basic research done in academia. It is seldom to see big Pharma coming up with their own fields, like making up mental health issues. It's simply too costly. We have enough health problems to deal with. I don't think any big Pharma would worry about running out of drugs to come up with and having to make up diseases to create market.

Mostly, the big Pharma look to the academia for ideas. They go through tons of published studies. If a field is too basic, they will leave it alone. these concepts would be too abstract and too imature for anyone including the basic researchers to find any real- world use. As a field gets more mature, it gets hotter and hotter. And big Pharma picks the field up and begin to do tons and tons of screening based on the concepts/theories in this mature field. At this point, most of the basic researchers let go of the field and move on to something else, mostly because of financial issues since we simply cannot afford such large scale operation. It is also because it becomes "boring" at this stage. Take me as a example, the whole process of drug discovery bores me to no end. I do research to satisfy my curiosity and my urge to explore the unknown. There is nothing exciting in drug screening to me. It's plain labor when you simply do the same tests day in and day out and go through hundreds of thousands and even millions of small chemicals to find that "one good hit". However, I would like to stress that this step is absolutely essential to the whole healthy care system. Without it, all the cool theories would simply stay on paper and will never benefit people.

So to summarize, most of what the big Pharma do is based on extensive basic research. It's simply a cost-effective way of doing things. And it makes it easier for them to pass FDA. Every time when they want to submit a drug for FDA approval, they have to show extensive literature data to support their own data. This means they have to show the FDA extensive published data. They can spend money to advertise to the public about certain drugs, but it would be impossible for them to come up with decades of published data to fool FDA inspectors into giving the the permit to put the drug on the market. Without the background basic data, they will never get the approval from the FDA.
 
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Colonel
WE should let our bodies build up a natural resistance to mild infections. These days we live in super insulated homes so that we dont get the sniffles, shower far too often and wash the good bacteria off our bodies.

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I agree that we should allow our body to build its own immune defense. With that said, that does not mean we shouldn't take medication. What I mean is those anti-inflammatory drugs. We should take them when needed. Although these drugs have no effect on viruses and they only releave the symptoms, it is absolutely critical that we take these drugs. It's not about killing the viruses. Our body can do that because we have a powerful immune system. And also because of that, our immune system is a double-edged sword. An immune system going out of control is more damaging to our body than any virus. Most of the serious diseases that we face today originate from immune system going weird. cancer, heart diseases, diabetes, etc all stem from inflammation and other immune system issues. So it is absolutely important that we keep our immune system in check. Taking some ibuprofen when getting a flu is exactly for that, making sure to keep our immune system in check and calm.
 

vesicles

Colonel
What is your opinion regarding mental health, are pharmaceutical companies developing effective solutions with regarding to these kind of problems or whether only to supress symptoms, has mental health problems been increasing in modern periods or whether it is just more awareness, or just drug companies making a bigger problem than it actually is?

About the effectiveness of the drugs, I think that is an issue with the entire field of medicine and not limited to mental diseases. Our understanding of the biological systems is still so much lacking. Although we have gained so much knowledge of how a single cell functions. This knowledge is still limited to the single cell level. Cells do not exist as single entities. They gather together, pack tightly into tissues. How cells behave in an actual tissue is still largely unknown. How cells communicate with each other and change each other's behaviors is still unknown. This is why drugs do unexpectd things. It's like blinds feeling an elephant. We can only see a small portion of the whole story. That's why most of the medicine only treat symptoms. We simply don't know what the whole thing is about...
 

delft

Brigadier
And now for something entirely different, from Sputnik:
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China to Create Super-Collider Double the Size of CERN's

19:59 29.10.2015(updated 20:01 29.10.2015)


China is planning to build the world's largest super-collider. According to China Daily, scientists have already completed an initial conceptual design of the mega facility. With construction slated to begin as early as 2020, the super, super-collider will be double the size of the Switzerland-based CERN LHC, with seven times the power.

Following up on the work of the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), whose Large Hadron Collider (LHC) discovered the Higgs boson 'God particle' in 2012, the Chinese facility is expected to generate millions of such particles. This will allow physicists to observe in detail the structure and features of the Higgs boson, and in turn to explain one of the fundamental building blocks of the universe.

Speaking to China Daily, Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of High Energy Physics Director Wang Yifang explained that "we have completed the initial conceptual design, and recently organized [an] international peer review, and the final conceptual design will be completed by the end of 2016."

China Daily explained that the country's new particle accelerator, which might be built near the port city of Qinhuangdao in the northeastern Hebei province, is expected to have a circumference of between 50 and 100 km, compared with CERN's 27 km. This will allow China's Circular Electron Positron Collider (CEPC) to generate literally millions of Higgs bosons.

Moreover, according to Wang, the Chinese technical approach will allow the particles to be generated in a 'cleaner' fashion: "The technical route we chose is different from LHC. While LHC smashes together protons, it generates Higgs boson particles together with many other particles. The proposed CEPC, however, collides electrons and positrons to create an extremely clean environment that only produces Higgs boson particles."

Planning ahead, China Daily notes that in the longer term (2040), the massive facility will also include an ambitious second-phase project –the Super Proton-Proton Collider, an upgraded version of the LHC, with a 100 TeV (electron volt) rating, compared with the LHC's rating of 13 TeV. This will allow physicists to experiment with collisions at higher energy and momentum, allowing them to probe physics in shorter times and at shorter distances.
Noting that physicists from around the world have already traveled to China to help with the project, Wang noted that "this is a machine for the world and by the world: not a Chinese one," emphasizing that the Chinese particle accelerator will help scientists in making advances and discoveries that will benefit all of humanity.

Commenting on the ambitious project, Institute of Advance Study particle physicist Nima Arkani-Hamed noted that while China is "going to need help" in getting the project off the ground, "they have financial muscle and they have ambition."
This looks to be about the size of the US Superconducting Super Collider that was abandoned in1993.
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