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horse

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Bad economic decision. It will cost and most importantly Time. Meanwhile, China is already exploring potential 5G applications

This is a very interesting experiment.

Essentially the English are spending money to go backwards, then in the hopes that American lead technology will save the day later.

Sure, it is possible that the Americans manage to win the 5G space later on in the next few years.

Or, they can get crushed.

:oops: :p
 

taxiya

Brigadier
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This is a very interesting experiment.

Essentially the English are spending money to go backwards, then in the hopes that American lead technology will save the day later.

Sure, it is possible that the Americans manage to win the 5G space later on in the next few years.

Or, they can get crushed.

:oops: :p
Nobody is going to save the day for UK.

US has no place in 5G network building. What Elon Musk did with starlink has nothing to do with 5G, it is a totally separate network. US may win that sector but not 5G.

The space sector defined in 5G is using satellites as transportation trunk-lines in the same way as fiber optic land lines in current 5G network. Starlink is more similar to Wifi. Mobile phones' 5G baseband circuitry (the main user devices) can not communicate with starlink.
 

voyager1

Captain
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Nobody is going to save the day for UK.

US has no place in 5G network building. What Elon Musk did with starlink has nothing to do with 5G, it is a totally separate network. US may win that sector but not 5G.

The space sector defined in 5G is using satellites as transportation trunk-lines in the same way as fiber optic land lines in current 5G network. Starlink is more similar to Wifi. Mobile phones' 5G baseband circuitry (the main user devices) can not communicate with starlink.
Starlink is of course a big innovation which can provide internet service to hundreds to billions of humans (in the future ofc, needs Starship for this scale).

5G is something more. IMO 5G is a fundamental part of the 4th Industrial Revolution. Industrial Revolutions have historically been very reformative and brough great changes, wars, peace, strength, weakness etc.

China with its deep trauma from its own failed Industrial Revolution has recongised the significance of 5G which is why you saw China throwing even the kitchen sink at adopting it.

And not only Industry, a whole new host of applications are coming, entire new industries will be created etc
 

taxiya

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Starlink is of course a big innovation which can provide internet service to hundreds to billions of humans (in the future ofc, needs Starship for this scale).
I don't want to sound like undermining Starlink. But I won't overstate what it really is. Starlink is essentially the reincarnation of Motorola's Iridium satellite communication system. In the 2G era, GSM, CDMA and DAMPS were the ground based network providing primarily voice service. Iridium is the space based alternative for voice. Today, Starlink is providing data service up to what 4G does, NOT 5G.

The physical laws dictate that due to the distance of satellite to the ground, the latency and the size constraint of terminals, starlink can never provide the same grade of service as 5G ground network. Starlink's advantage is distant access therefor it is for a very different market sector, remote and isolated location, ships in the middle of the ocean, aircraft, hikers in the wild and the military. It is apple and orange between starlink and 5G.

To put things in perspective, Startlink's "innovation" is no more than the "innovation" from 2G to 3G or Motorola. Its targeting population will be far dwarfed by 5G if it ever fares better than Iridium.
 

voyager1

Captain
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I don't want to sound like undermining Starlink. But I won't overstate what it really is. Starlink is essentially the reincarnation of Motorola's Iridium satellite communication system. In the 2G era, GSM, CDMA and DAMPS were the ground based network providing primarily voice service. Iridium is the space based alternative for voice. Today, Starlink is providing data service up to what 4G does, NOT 5G.

The physical laws dictate that due to the distance of satellite to the ground, the latency and the size constraint of terminals, starlink can never provide the same grade of service as 5G ground network. Starlink's advantage is distant access therefor it is for a very different market sector, remote and isolated location, ships in the middle of the ocean, aircraft and the military. It is apple and orange between starlink and 5G.

To put things in perspective, Startlink's "innovation" is no more than the "innovation" from 2G to 3G or Motorola. Its targeting population will be far dwarfed by 5G if it ever fares better than Iridium.
Starlink is different from 5G

Starlink is basically giving fast internet to people who live in remote areas where ground broadband infrastructure doesnt exist or where it is too expensive.

6G will use satellites. But for now Starlink is "just" internet with low latency 60ms(?)
 

taxiya

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Starlink is different from 5G

Starlink is basically giving fast internet to people who live in remote areas where ground broadband infrastructure doesnt exist or where it is too expensive.

6G will use satellites. But for now Starlink is "just" internet with low latency 60ms(?)
Agreed with the rest. However, 6G is still being defined, what role satellite plays in it is still under study, we will have to wait. In fact, 5G use satellites already, at least in the standard. Bottom line is that physics do not change regardless how we call the network.

From an engineers perspective, 5G is 4G with some technology improvement plus a big load of fancy marketing tricks. At the bottom, 5G is 4G on steroid.
 
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