News on China's scientific and technological development.

Now this is definitely major advance in China and huge stride quest for self sufficiency in oil and gas resource
Buidling large Floating production storage and off load gas and oil used to be the preserve of western country of US, British and France But lately Asian country like Korea and Japan nibbling at the monopoly but basically they still depend on western technology China too to certain extent but I have no doubt they can build it independently now. China offshore gas deposit is only scratching the surface I have no doubt that in the future they find more offshore gas deposit

World's largest gas production platform sets off for Hainan in China
Deep Sea No. 1, a 100,000-tonne deep-water semi-submersible oil production and storage platform, has been completed in East China. The platform was developed and built by China. Deep Sea No. 1 is expected to arrive in south China's Lingshui gas field in February, and will begin operation in June.

j17wang said:

Vertical farming needs more emphasis and perhaps a mention in the 2025 economic plan. The industrialization and urbanization of agriculture will also reduce internal supply lines and build resiliency within internal supply chains in the PRC, and is also complimentary to accelerated urbanization plans. China needs to reduce its subsistence population ASAP who don't generate a net contribution to GDP.

One of the issues with India has always been that its only an economy of around 300 million moderately middle-income people. The other billion are just subsistence farmers who are a wash when it comes to GDP, R&D innovation...

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That'd be a welcome development if it comes to it.
We can be confident private startups, both foreign and domestic, have been working on investment plans in this sector. It's open to foreign investment so they would take a move sooner rather than later, albeit Covid lockdowns and restrictions across the globe still in place. Imagine the day Chinese farmers are all in lab coats and working 8 to 5 in cities.

A further search gave me this by SW Jiaotong university. The study was published in 2008. It details how the new Maglev works.

The fun part is

They have also conducted measurement of deterioration the levitation force over time period of 9 years.

The work has been on going since at the latest 2001. With more than 20 years R&D behind its back I think the recent engineering prototype is mature enough to compete with the other options. I hope it wins.

j17wang said:

Vertical farming needs more emphasis and perhaps a mention in the 2025 economic plan. The industrialization and urbanization of agriculture will also reduce internal supply lines and build resiliency within internal supply chains in the PRC, and is also complimentary to accelerated urbanization plans. China needs to reduce its subsistence population ASAP who don't generate a net contribution to GDP.

One of the issues with India has always been that its only an economy of around 300 million moderately middle-income people. The other billion are just subsistence farmers who are a wash when it comes to GDP, R&D innovation...

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Nay. LED chips manufacturer San'an Optoelectronics did a lot of R&D on vertical farming with CAS and is marketing its vertical farming solution internationally. BOE is also working with Baidu on AI-assisted vertical farming.

But a national strategy is not needed. Let the market works it out. Vertical farming uses a lot of energy and some urban land but frees up rural land and low skilled labor. I'm just not convinced the government should actively push for an industry that take small farmers out of their jobs. Chinese farmers (like Japanese farmers) are old. Young people don't go into farming and current farmers are too old to retrain. Just let the market works it out.

OppositeDay said:

Nay. LED chips manufacturer San'an Optoelectronics did a lot of R&D on vertical farming with CAS and is marketing its vertical farming solution internationally. BOE is also working with Baidu on AI-assisted vertical farming.

But a national strategy is not needed. Let the market works it out. Vertical farming uses a lot of energy and some urban land but frees up rural land and low skilled labor. I'm just not convinced the government should actively push for an industry that take small farmers out of their jobs. Chinese farmers (like Japanese farmers) are old. Young people don't go into farming and current farmers are too old to retrain. Just let the market works it out.

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Key is to grow more profitable plants such as poppy/opium and exchange it for actual food



You guys think it's possible to create an artificial irrigation/transport canal from central China through Xinjiang, ME, to EU?

OppositeDay said:

Nay. LED chips manufacturer San'an Optoelectronics did a lot of R&D on vertical farming with CAS and is marketing its vertical farming solution internationally. BOE is also working with Baidu on AI-assisted vertical farming.

But a national strategy is not needed. Let the market works it out. Vertical farming uses a lot of energy and some urban land but frees up rural land and low skilled labor. I'm just not convinced the government should actively push for an industry that take small farmers out of their jobs. Chinese farmers (like Japanese farmers) are old. Young people don't go into farming and current farmers are too old to retrain. Just let the market works it out.

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I'm sorry I don't share this sentiment. There are still millions of chinese in prime working age (thankfully not hundreds of millions) that are doing small-scale farming (I have no issues with mechanized industrial agriculture). TBH, these careers are gone either now or later, and its better to rip off the bandaid now. I'd rather there be a national strategy to confront this head on rather than just "wait for the market". Japanese rice farmers and their disproportionate share of influence in Japanese politics is not something I want China to emulate.

If china can do R&D now, ag tech will be a massive future industry like EVs. China has already started a national strategy for aqua-culture, which is partially driven by food security concerns/overfishing/SCS tensions, food security will for sure be weaponized by the west, as they have in the apst.

localizer said:

Key is to grow more profitable plants such as poppy/opium and exchange it for actual food



You guys think it's possible to create an artificial irrigation/transport canal from central China through Xinjiang, ME, to EU?

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San'an is mostly marketing its vertical farming solution in China as a foolproof method to grow the highest grade of TCM herbs.

OppositeDay said:

San'an is mostly marketing its vertical farming solution in China as a foolproof method to grow the highest grade of TCM herbs.

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Good tea can also be suitable for these vertical farms.

Anything of proven pharmaceutical value ofc is good.

j17wang said:

I'm sorry I don't share this sentiment. There are still millions of chinese in prime working age (thankfully not hundreds of millions) that are doing small-scale farming (I have no issues with mechanized industrial agriculture). TBH, these careers are gone either now or later, and its better to rip off the bandaid now. I'd rather there be a national strategy to confront this head on rather than just "wait for the market". Japanese rice farmers and their disproportionate share of influence in Japanese politics is not something I want China to emulate.

If china can do R&D now, ag tech will be a massive future industry like EVs. China has already started a national strategy for aqua-culture, which is partially driven by food security concerns/overfishing/SCS tensions, food security will for sure be weaponized by the west, as they have in the apst.

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For every young small-scale farmer there are far more older farmers who cannot retrain easily.

In any case vertical farming is still unproven as far as economics is concerned. It just uses too much energy.

China already has a national strategy on renewable energy and Chinese optoelectronics companies are working on more efficient light sources. There's no need for a separate vertical farming strategy, unless you want China to subsidize vertical farmers so they can burn more coal to grow lettuce.

One way to look at the issue is comparing across the affluent societies and who would get the benefits from extra energy expenditures.

China's household annual per capita consumption of electricity is less than 2000 Kwh, while that of US is around 11,000.00. That amounts to around RMB 1,000.00 per year for average Chinese urban household. Food expenditure, including tobacco and alcohol is around 20% of average urban household expenditure according to NBS of China. As China's household disposable income increases YoY, the percentage of actual expenditure of food and electricity will gradually decreases.
How much electricity was spent on US$2.6 trillions export machine, serving the extra wide US consumers and Europeans? They don't care about the sulfur and CO2 that China is paying for, they only care about the rights and freedoms. China can burn and should burn as much coal as she wants to actually serve the needs and wants of her own citizens, if there'd be such. If we can burn coal for them for their markets, why not for ourselves? You could ask how about the pollution? The question is how much extra energy do we actually need? 2%, 3% of national output? Besides, Chinese thermal coal is not crappy one like German's or Indian's. It burns cleaner, comparatively speaking.
Of course it would be relatively well off cities first to take the consumer choice firm roots. It would be all about marketing like some gold seal certification or some BS along that line to promote the products. It'll be expensive for sure compared to traditional ones; but at the same time it's the extra marginal money better spent on home grown quality foods than buying European designer goods. The thing is to shoot the target where it will be, not where it is now.