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muddie

Junior Member
How effective is a tech embargo on China? an anecdote

after the Cox report in 1999, the U.S. put China's space industry on total embargo. a few years later, the French, trying to show the Earth can still turn without the US, made a US-free satellite for China. today China shoots dozens of satellites into space every year, all made in China.

The arms embargo on China was probably the best thing that happened to China militarily because it forced China to develop a self sufficient, fully domestic arms industry.

If there was no arms embargo, China's present day military would be similar to that of India's - a mix match of foreign gear that's highly vulnerable to sanctions.

There needs to be a catalyst to start a movement and Trump's tech sanctions will only cause Chinese companies to develop technologies themselves at a faster pace.
 

daifo

Captain
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It's extremely easy. Simply go back to the policies of Hu Jintao. Stop starting fights with everybody all the time. Close the Xinjiang concentration camps. Don't oppress ethnic minorities. Stop military incursions into Taiwan and the South China Sea. Settle the border dispute with ASEAN. Stop sinking Vietnamese fishing boats. Settle the Senkaku islands dispute with Japan. Demarcate the LAC with India. Release the two Michaels and the Australian journalist. Stop arresting lawyers and human rights activists. Give Americans some hope that China will be a benevolent nation and not a fascist empire.

If you do that not only America, but the entire world will be more warm towards China. People will rally around China against the US like you've never seen before, but the reality is nobody likes the US they just listen to it because they feel there is no better alternative. There is tremendous opportunity.

Might as well let XinJiang seperate, tibet seperate, hong kong seperate, macau seperate, taiwn to seperate and all of them host US bases. Let the CIA set up a office in Beijing. Let multinational unlimited access. 5 eyes country and Japan can come in and set up the government system too /s
 
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It's extremely easy. Simply go back to the policies of Hu Jintao.
America was starting to get jizzy with China even in 2010. Hu Jintao was lucky in that 9/11 distracted the US from China's development for about a decade. But the War on Terror spell on the US began to wear off after 10 or so years. Its undeniable however, once China took the position as second top dog economically (overtake Japan around 2010), the American foreign policy establishment would start to notice what China was doing, and the threat they could pose. Hu Jintao, in this respect, was quite blessed to have been leader when the US was distracted elsewhere.
and FYI, Hu Jintao did much of the same Xi Jinping did foreign policy wise, especially in the South China Sea and Taiwan Strait military drills. Only that China was considered weak enough at the time for the US to neglect those activities, as well as the US being mired in its own War on Terror bullshit that had succeeded 9/11.
Stop starting fights with everybody all the time.
I am neither a fan of wolf-warrior diplomacy either. At the same time, "picking fights with everyone" really just means countering US aggressiveness. Vietnam and the rest of ASEAN will happily continue trading with China regardless. With EU, I agree that the Taiwan threat was not well-executed. At the same time, Europe must know its red-lines, and the EU knows its future recovery from this pandemic depends on China's economic growth. Hence why Merkel's gov't, while she might raise human rights as a concern towards China, will willingly look past that for her own country's bottom line.
Close the Xinjiang concentration camps. Don't oppress ethnic minorities.
I oppose those camps, morally because I am opposed to all internment, whether it be Japanese, Native American, or US border internment camps. At the same time, don't let this fool you that Anglo-American PR Machines won't use this as an opportunity to exaggerate bullshit. If not Uyghur camps, they'll complain about Hong Kong, and amplify bullshit conspiracies.
Stop military incursions into Taiwan and the South China Sea. Settle the border dispute with ASEAN. Stop sinking Vietnamese fishing boats. Settle the Senkaku islands dispute with Japan.
Like I said, this has been happening for a while now, since, in fact, Jiang Zemin, which I assume you fanboy over. Remember the 3rd Taiwan Strait Crisis? China's been doing this for the past 20 years, but it wasn't until recently anyone cared since Anglo countries thought "oh, but China's too weak for us to care about this lol". Until the past few years.
Demarcate the LAC with India.
Why would China want to instigate this crisis right now? They have nothing to gain. Use your brain; Modi has a shit economy and COVID response right now. You do know whats the most effective way for him to distract the masses from his failures? Instigate a border conflict with China.
Stop arresting lawyers and human rights activists. Give Americans some hope that China will be a benevolent nation and not a fascist empire.
China has been doing this for years now, I don't know what you are getting at. Also, you cannot trust NGOs form the West, as you don't know what their true motivations and secret intentions are. Remember Iraq's incubator baby-murder hoax? Bullshit propagated by such human rights NGOs. Also, why should China just bend over and bootlick America to satisfy their internal superiority complex? No self-respecting country would do that; furthermore, give the Americans an inch, and they'll keep pushing until you've weakened yourself to the point of no return. Americans have no understanding of "win-win" cooperation; their mindset is purely zero-sum. It's not China and US can both win; in their view, only the US can win, and China MUST lose everything.
If you do that not only America, but the entire world will be more warm towards China. People will rally around China against the US like you've never seen before, but the reality is nobody likes the US they just listen to it because they feel there is no better alternative. There is tremendous opportunity.

Are you really this naive? I suggest you go read up "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam Chomsky. This is why Chinese liberals are losing in the country; too misguided and in love with the West and liberalism, the same ideology that failed the West for the past 40 years. Rightfully so, liberalism is losing in China; too arrogant and self-hating, to bootlicking and submissive of the West. Neoliberalism is an utter failure. Why on earth would you want China to replicate this path? Why do you think America is trending towards fascism now? Jesus Christ, you seriously need to go read a book.
 
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Now You are not only naive but out of reach to reality by trying to roll back history. That tells how much you know about Chinese leadership and history. Hu Jintao and all his predecessors all the way to Mao Zedong were all laying the groundwork for one day when time is right their successor could be able to take on the fight, that job is now on the shoulders of Xi Jinping. Xi Jinping is carrying out his duty that was determined by Hu Jintao who in turn was doing his duty set by Jiang Zemin and so on. It is a road map set in 1949, a continuation of national struggle since 1840. It is not personal will of somebody and certainly is not going to be rolled back by somebody like you.

From the words that you use such as "Xinjiang concentration camp" and "Senkaku" etc, it is clear that you are not Chinese therefor you were lying about "Chinese consumers abandoning Huawei". Your sole purpose is to disarm China so you can suck up the blood of Chinese people. But hey, if Chinese were as stupid as you wanted us to be, we wouldn't have been so strong to get you out of your cave today.

I don't see any point of negotiating with or talking with a blood-thirsty mosquito. This is also my advice to other Chinese members here.
On second thought, I think re-education camps are a good thing. Naive liberals like him ought to be shaken back to reality. America will never allow anyone who might challenge them to go without a fight. Seriously, this guy and liberals like him need their brains checked. Thank God Xi rooted out these neoliberals from the party.
 

Chish

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Are we in a Bizarro world or has trump come to some senses (oh no!) ?


Huawei may have some hope as AMD gets license to sell products to companies in the Entity List
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Sep 18, 2020

Huawei is currently struggling to keep its
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business afloat as the Chinese giant has been heavily restricted by the sanctions from the United States from procuring or manufacturing necessary components.

But it seems that there is some hope for the company. Forrest Norrod, Senior Vice President at AMD
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that the company has been granted a license to sell its products to some of the companies in the US Entity List.

The licenses secured by the company ensures that there won’t be a significant impact on the business at this time because of the China-focused
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. He also added that the company is complying with all the rules and regulations.

However, it’s noteworthy that Forrest Norrod hasn’t revealed the names of the companies for which
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has been granted licenses to carry on doing business. So, we are not sure if the Chinese giant Huawei is in it

Even if there’s no license for Huawei right now, his statement shed light on the fact that the United States is giving out licenses to companies for doing business with those firms that are in the Entity List. So, sooner or later, licenses can be granted to companies for doing business with Huawei.

Many companies have started lobbying with the United States government to reconsider some of the restrictions placed on Huawei, arguing that it impacts American businesses, both in terms of innovation and finance.

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AMD will forever be grateful to Trump and will happily contribute to Trump election funds considering the amount of money AMD have saved. Trump is smarter than you think.
 

j17wang

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It's extremely easy. Simply go back to the policies of Hu Jintao. Stop starting fights with everybody all the time. Close the Xinjiang concentration camps. Don't oppress ethnic minorities. Stop military incursions into Taiwan and the South China Sea. Settle the border dispute with ASEAN. Stop sinking Vietnamese fishing boats. Settle the Senkaku islands dispute with Japan. Demarcate the LAC with India. Release the two Michaels and the Australian journalist. Stop arresting lawyers and human rights activists. Give Americans some hope that China will be a benevolent nation and not a fascist empire.

If you do that not only America, but the entire world will be more warm towards China. People will rally around China against the US like you've never seen before, but the reality is nobody likes the US they just listen to it because they feel there is no better alternative. There is tremendous opportunity.

Half of this crap is factually incorrect. So no, China should NEVER do even half of these. I'm from Xinjiang, a good chunk of my family is muslim. A quarter of my family has been in vocational training. There are no concentration camps.

America needs to stop raping the world with its highest per capita pollution. It needs to atone for the 140 million people it exterminated in its continental conquest of North America. China will never kneel to the US.
 

hullopilllw

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It's extremely easy. Simply go back to the policies of Hu Jintao. Stop starting fights with everybody all the time. Close the Xinjiang concentration camps. Don't oppress ethnic minorities. Stop military incursions into Taiwan and the South China Sea. Settle the border dispute with ASEAN. Stop sinking Vietnamese fishing boats. Settle the Senkaku islands dispute with Japan. Demarcate the LAC with India. Release the two Michaels and the Australian journalist. Stop arresting lawyers and human rights activists. Give Americans some hope that China will be a benevolent nation and not a fascist empire.

If you do that not only America, but the entire world will be more warm towards China. People will rally around China against the US like you've never seen before, but the reality is nobody likes the US they just listen to it because they feel there is no better alternative. There is tremendous opportunity.

Nonsense, your posts are just repeating the same narratives of western media. Dont be stupid. Nations are wary of China not because China is hostile, but because China is rising through a path that is unfathomable through the western playbook. The first benevolent modern power.
 
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