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Hendrik_2000

Brigadier
$$$ money sure, they can get plenty, ALOT talented researchers/knowledge/experience take time. like i said above, wait 3 years than we know if Huawei can manufacture 7nm chip or not. At that time if Huawei can manufacture even 14nm chip with domestic equipment, i call that major success.

They can hire experience engineer from Taiwan and Japan to guide them MOney talk if they pay them 2 or 3 times their present salary they will jump China already employ 10% of Taiwan semi conductor and open engineering office in Japan and Korea.
SMIC hire Liang Mongsoon formerly from TSMC

You can banned equipment but You cannot banned people from helping China
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TAIPEI -- China is ramping up recruitment of Taiwanese talent in semiconductors, attracting top executives and engineers alike to bolster an industry that the U.S. trade war has shown to be a Chinese Achilles' heel.

The aggressive campaign has sparked concerns about a brain drain within Taiwan's chip industry, which is struggling to compete with generous offers by cash-rich mainland companies.

A man in his 50s left a longtime job at a leading Taiwanese semiconductor maker a year ago for a position on the mainland.

"It's only natural to want to launch a big project and increase my value as an engineer," he told Nikkei during a trip back to Taipei.

The man's salary more than doubled with the move, and his new employer pays for his child's private education. The decision was easy, the man said.

More than 3,000 semiconductor engineers have departed Taiwan for positions at mainland companies, the island's Business Weekly reports. Analysts at the Taiwan Institute of Economic Research say this figure appears to be accurate. That amounts to nearly one-tenth of Taiwan's roughly 40,000 engineers involved in semiconductor research and development.

The trend is
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. Richard Chang moved to the mainland in 2000 after his Taiwanese business was acquired by
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, the world's leading contract chipmaker. Chang brought several hundred employees and launched Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. in Shanghai.

SMIC is now the world's fifth-largest contract chipmaker and has become a key rival for TSMC with backing from Beijing.

TSMC's former chief operating officer, Chiang Shang-yi, and research and development executive, Liang Mong-song, have taken high-ranking roles at state-affiliated players in China. Charles Kao, known as the "godfather" of Taiwan's DRAM industry, also joined Tsinghua Unigroup in 2015. Unigroup competes with Taiwanese players like
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in dynamic random access memory.


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But such career moves have accelerated under Beijing's "Made in China 2025" plan to foster self-sufficiency in high-tech industries.

Semiconductor manufacturing is both capital- and talent-intensive: Even with the best equipment on the market, a company cannot mass-produce chips without technicians to work on them.

"Chinese players are now trying to overcome the barrier by recruiting not only top executives, but entire production teams on the ground," a Taiwanese industry insider said. "They are paying two to three times as much as Taiwanese companies."

Taiwanese companies are finding themselves outmatched.

"We are improving our compensation, but it is difficult to compete with mainland companies," Nanya Technology President Lee Pei-ing said.

Taiwan updated its trade secrets act in 2013, imposing prison sentences of up to 10 years for leaking corporate secrets outside the island. But this has not deterred career moves to the mainland in the semiconductor industry.

The effect of these transplants is noticeable. China's Changxin Memory Technologies and Yangtze Memory Technologies next year are slated to start mass-producing memory chips, one of Taiwan's strengths.

As a market for semiconductor manufacturing equipment, mainland China is expected to surpass Taiwan as the world's largest next year.

In addition to bolstering the mainland's chip industry, Beijing also may be rolling out the red carpet for Taiwanese engineers as a step toward its longtime goal of reunification. Beijing announced 26 measures in November aimed at treating Taiwanese equally to mainland Chinese, advocating for more Taiwanese to work and study on the mainland.

"The goal is to bring Taiwanese talent to the mainland and hollow out Taiwan," said Meng Chih-cheng, an associate professor at Taiwan's National Cheng Kung University.
 
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horse

Senior Member
Registered Member
well lets have this conversation in 3 years, you can say "i told you so" if Huawei able to manufacture and adapt 7nm chip in 2023. for now its all in the drawing board.
It is not on the drawing board.

People in China putting their money where their mouth is saying.

Money that used to be spent on US equipment. Gone forever.
 

Hendrik_2000

Brigadier
It is not on the drawing board.

People in China putting their money where their mouth is saying.

Money that used to be spent on US equipment. Gone forever.

Yup I remember years back I have debate with him about ASBM and he keep saying unproven concept , it does not work, it was never tested.
What do you know they tested not once but twice and sofar I haven't heard a peep from the other side or him!

He was wrong so many time and he wear green color glasses when it come to china. totaly brainwashed!
 

s002wjh

Junior Member
It is not on the drawing board.

People in China putting their money where their mouth is saying.

Money that used to be spent on US equipment. Gone forever.
like i said, show me the 7nm huawei chip in a phone in 3 years. ppl really think a company like Huawei can come out 7nm in 3years with all the sanction going on against it. there is difference between dreams and reality.
 
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s002wjh

Junior Member
They can hire experience engineer from Taiwan and Japan to guide them MOney talk if they pay them 2 or 3 times their present salary they will jump China already employ 10% of Taiwan semi conductor and open engineering office in Japan and Korea.
SMIC hire Liang Mongsoon formerly from TSMC

You can banned equipment but You cannot banned people from helping China
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TAIPEI -- China is ramping up recruitment of Taiwanese talent in semiconductors, attracting top executives and engineers alike to bolster an industry that the U.S. trade war has shown to be a Chinese Achilles' heel.

The aggressive campaign has sparked concerns about a brain drain within Taiwan's chip industry, which is struggling to compete with generous offers by cash-rich mainland companies.

A man in his 50s left a longtime job at a leading Taiwanese semiconductor maker a year ago for a position on the mainland.

"It's only natural to want to launch a big project and increase my value as an engineer," he told Nikkei during a trip back to Taipei.

The man's salary more than doubled with the move, and his new employer pays for his child's private education. The decision was easy, the man said.

More than 3,000 semiconductor engineers have departed Taiwan for positions at mainland companies, the island's Business Weekly reports. Analysts at the Taiwan Institute of Economic Research say this figure appears to be accurate. That amounts to nearly one-tenth of Taiwan's roughly 40,000 engineers involved in semiconductor research and development.

The trend is
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. Richard Chang moved to the mainland in 2000 after his Taiwanese business was acquired by
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, the world's leading contract chipmaker. Chang brought several hundred employees and launched Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. in Shanghai.

SMIC is now the world's fifth-largest contract chipmaker and has become a key rival for TSMC with backing from Beijing.

TSMC's former chief operating officer, Chiang Shang-yi, and research and development executive, Liang Mong-song, have taken high-ranking roles at state-affiliated players in China. Charles Kao, known as the "godfather" of Taiwan's DRAM industry, also joined Tsinghua Unigroup in 2015. Unigroup competes with Taiwanese players like
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in dynamic random access memory.


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But such career moves have accelerated under Beijing's "Made in China 2025" plan to foster self-sufficiency in high-tech industries.

Semiconductor manufacturing is both capital- and talent-intensive: Even with the best equipment on the market, a company cannot mass-produce chips without technicians to work on them.

"Chinese players are now trying to overcome the barrier by recruiting not only top executives, but entire production teams on the ground," a Taiwanese industry insider said. "They are paying two to three times as much as Taiwanese companies."

Taiwanese companies are finding themselves outmatched.

"We are improving our compensation, but it is difficult to compete with mainland companies," Nanya Technology President Lee Pei-ing said.

Taiwan updated its trade secrets act in 2013, imposing prison sentences of up to 10 years for leaking corporate secrets outside the island. But this has not deterred career moves to the mainland in the semiconductor industry.

The effect of these transplants is noticeable. China's Changxin Memory Technologies and Yangtze Memory Technologies next year are slated to start mass-producing memory chips, one of Taiwan's strengths.

As a market for semiconductor manufacturing equipment, mainland China is expected to surpass Taiwan as the world's largest next year.

In addition to bolstering the mainland's chip industry, Beijing also may be rolling out the red carpet for Taiwanese engineers as a step toward its longtime goal of reunification. Beijing announced 26 measures in November aimed at treating Taiwanese equally to mainland Chinese, advocating for more Taiwanese to work and study on the mainland.

"The goal is to bring Taiwanese talent to the mainland and hollow out Taiwan," said Meng Chih-cheng, an associate professor at Taiwan's National Cheng Kung University.
all these are plans in action, and its China plan, not Huawei plan. success in 3 years for huawei to come out 7nm chips with only domestic equipment, i doubt it. again, show me the Chip in 3 years. Now if SMIC come out 7nm in couple years, thats more believable.
 
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2handedswordsman

Junior Member
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all these are plans in action, success in 3 years for huawei to come out 7nm chips with only domestic equipment, i doubt it. again, show me the Chip in 3 years. Now if SMIC come out 7nm in couple years, thats more believable.

ok troll one way or another "fate is inescapable" like Plato said, so, get a rest and don't put any money on bets cause you'll have to cry.
 

s002wjh

Junior Member
ok troll one way or another "fate is inescapable" like Plato said, so, get a rest and don't put any money on bets cause you'll have to cry.
lol sure there is a difference between reality vs false hope. i hope huawei can come out chips, but reality is very different. 3 years 7nm huawei come out its chips, ill revist this topic after 3 years, and quote these thread. PS i'm refer to Huawei can manufacture its own 7nm chips, not smic.
 
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machupicu

Junior Member
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all these are plans in action, and its China plan, not Huawei plan. success in 3 years for huawei to come out 7nm chips with only domestic equipment, i doubt it. again, show me the Chip in 3 years. Now if SMIC come out 7nm in couple years, thats more believable.
Btw, you are splitting hair, nowhere in our postings and discussions talk only about Huawei. We talked about Beijing line, etc it's all about China. Whoever can make 7nm from a domestic line, yes that's likely Huawei will first use that line among Other lines,too.
So I'm very confident even within 2 (two) yrs Huawei will release it's 7nm from a domestic line (don't matter what % contains which origins of those equipment). Remember, it's all abt China.
 

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