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Orthan said:

So, Huawei´s 5G business may survive but its phone business is screwed because they cant produce high-end phones and cant really sell outside china. But i dont think that this is the end for chinese branded phones outside of china. AFAIK its only huawei that is barred from american tech, unless if ZTE is also barred. is it?

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People really need to get rid of that idea Huawei = 100% China smartphones.

What about Xiaomi? Oppo? ZTE? Meizu? Vivo? RealMe?

People in the US should be familiar with this brand: OnePlus.

Xiaomi is number one in India. Some of its apps have been recently banned in India including its browser but not Xiaomi and their phones, so Xiaomi has to substitute the browser and other apps.

All these companies are eager to take up the vaccuum left by Huawei. ZTE is not barred from using American tech on its smartphones, so it can get Google, Qualcomm, Corning and all that in its smartphones. Its banned on getting American tech for its base stations, however. Figure that out.

Oddly, Huawei isn't banned from using Microsoft, buying nVidia, Intel and AMD chipsets to build PCs and notebooks.

What's really sad about this Huawei ban smartphone thing is that their smartphones are really really really good. I owned a Huawei smartphone, dual sim, used it internationally. IMO, their hardware is better than both Apple and Samsung. In terms of performance, price and value, Xiaomi and Oppo are nipping at Huawei's heels. Oddly, Oppo, Vivo, Realme and OnePlus are all brands under one umbrella company, and this company, called BBK, if all its subsidiaries are added, would be the number one smartphone maker in the world. I have been testing some Xiaomi and Oppo phones myself, quite impressed with both brands.

localizer said:

Chinese software advantage (at least in China) would be language.

Japan still likes to use Yahoo due to better search results in Japanese. Koreans use Naver. Japan and Korea also likes to use LINE for chatting. Russians use Yandex and VK.

Baidu should give better Chinese search results.

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Chinese should have access to Google and Youtube and stuff simply for competition. I find Baidu mostly useless for high end research.

Baidu should survive due to better Chinese search results.

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This map really shows the problem with the Chinese tech situation.

As you can see Google search is the lingua franca, it dominates the market in North & South America, South Asia & Europe & has a presence in other regions as well. Combined, it dwarfs China in both population and GDP/market size. Google has .

Baidu's advantage as you said is language, but because it can rely on this, the quality isn't as good. That's not good for China if its people have to choose between language and quality, and it will degrade China's economy in the long term.

That is why China really needs an international search offering. One or more Chinese companies need to learn to start competing with Google in some third party markets, even if their market share is very low. European countries have such companies such as Ecosia (Germany), Qwant (France), Mojeek (UK), Swisscows (Switzerland), and Givero (Denmark). The difference between these offerings, as small as they are, and sites like Baidu and Yandex is that they can be searched in English. They all generally advertise themselves as tracking-free. This may be necessary to gain a competitive advantage on Google, because consumers need a reason why to use your search.

The international search market can't be ceded to Google because the massive amounts of revenue controlling search brings in. By controlling search you not only become the world's information depository for all consumers, but the gatekeeper for all retailers. You become the information middleman between the consumer and seller. Any country that wants to compete with the US in economic strength has to compete here.

Ideally what would happen is that a Google competitor or competitior(s), hopefully one or more of which is Chinese, that accepts lower margins but offers greater privacy rights & control over your data will gain traction as consumers gain more awareness of how their data is being taken advantage of. This will for Google to follow suit and reduce profit margins in the industry.

It will also help if antitrust action is brought on Google in multiple jurisdictions to get regulatory action brought against them. NO country outside the US benefits from the Google hegemony. India doesn't benefit when the data of its consumers goes to a foreign country to be monetized either. It's not just the US vs. China but the US vs. the world.

ansy1968 said:

Hi AndrewS

Yup your correct, but the future looks uncertain. What is revealing is that Huawei is going down fighting, with all this plan being implemented. I really really wanted Huawei to succeed and survive, It had become a national icon and a champion, a symbol of Chinese determination to triumph against foreign aggression.

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Huawei is not going to die.

The worst case scenario is that it shrinks for a few years to the core base station business and grows in other segments which are not reliant on US technology.

Then afterwards, it will start growing again without any US tech.

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Die Leute müssen diese Idee wirklich verlieren Huawei = 100% China Smartphones.

Krieg ist mit Xiaomi? Oppo? ZTE? Meizu? Vivo? RealMe?

Menschen in den USA haben mit dieser Marke gehört: OnePlus.

Xiaomi ist die Nummer eins in Indien. Einige seiner Apps wurden in Indien verboten, verboten sein Browser, andere nicht von Xiaomi und ihre Handys. Daher muss Xiaomi den Browser und andere Apps verkauft.

Alle diese Unternehmen sind der Ansicht, das von Huawei Interessen Vakuum handelt. ZTE ist nicht daran gehindert, amerikanische Technologie auf seinen Smartphones zu finden, besser Google, Qualcomm, Corning und alle das auf seinen Smartphones verfügbar sind. Es ist doch verboten, amerikanische Technologie für seine Basisstationen zu bekommen. Finde das heraus.

Seltsam müssen ist es Huawei nicht behandelt, Microsoft zu finden und nVidia-, Intel- und AMD-Chipsätze für den Bau von PCs und Notebooks zu kaufen.

Krieg wirklich ein und ein Huawei Ban Smartphone ist, ist, dass ihre Smartphones wirklich sehr, sehr gut sind. Ich habe ein Huawei-Smartphone, Dual-Sim und Steuern es international. IMO, ihre Hardware ist besser als Apple und Samsung. In Bezug auf Leistung, Preis und Wert sind Xiaomi und Oppo Huawei auf den Fersen. Seltsam müssen sind Oppo, Vivo, Realme und OnePlus Marken unter einem Dach, und dieses Unternehmen gehören BBK gewesen, wenn alle seine Tochterunternehmen erhalten werden, der globale Smartphone-Hersteller. Ich habe selbst einige Xiaomi und Oppo Handys getestet, Kontakte Kontakte von beiden Marken.
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Huawei wird nicht sterben.

Das ist das letzte Mal, dass es für einige Jahre auf das Kerngeschäft der Basisstationen und in anderen Segmenten, die nicht auf US-Technologie sind.

Nachher wird es ohne US-Technologie wiedererlangt.
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Manni1950 said:

[QUOTE = "Tam, Post: 620990, Mitglied: 12758"]
Die Leute müssen diese Idee wirklich verlieren Huawei = 100% China Smartphones.

Krieg ist mit Xiaomi? Oppo? ZTE? Meizu? Vivo? RealMe?

Menschen in den USA haben mit dieser Marke gehört: OnePlus.

Xiaomi ist die Nummer eins in Indien. Einige seiner Apps wurden in Indien verboten, verboten sein Browser, andere nicht von Xiaomi und ihre Handys. Daher muss Xiaomi den Browser und andere Apps verkauft.

Alle diese Unternehmen sind der Ansicht, das von Huawei Interessen Vakuum handelt. ZTE ist nicht daran gehindert, amerikanische Technologie auf seinen Smartphones zu finden, besser Google, Qualcomm, Corning und alle das auf seinen Smartphones verfügbar sind. Es ist doch verboten, amerikanische Technologie für seine Basisstationen zu bekommen. Finde das heraus.

Seltsam müssen ist es Huawei nicht behandelt, Microsoft zu finden und nVidia-, Intel- und AMD-Chipsätze für den Bau von PCs und Notebooks zu kaufen.

Krieg wirklich ein und ein Huawei Ban Smartphone ist, ist, dass ihre Smartphones wirklich sehr, sehr gut sind. Ich habe ein Huawei-Smartphone, Dual-Sim und Steuern es international. IMO, ihre Hardware ist besser als Apple und Samsung. In Bezug auf Leistung, Preis und Wert sind Xiaomi und Oppo Huawei auf den Fersen. Seltsam müssen sind Oppo, Vivo, Realme und OnePlus Marken unter einem Dach, und dieses Unternehmen gehören BBK gewesen, wenn alle seine Tochterunternehmen erhalten werden, der globale Smartphone-Hersteller. Ich habe selbst einige Xiaomi und Oppo Handys getestet, Kontakte Kontakte von beiden Marken.
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Huawei wird nicht sterben.

Das ist das letzte Mal, dass es für einige Jahre auf das Kerngeschäft der Basisstationen und in anderen Segmenten, die nicht auf US-Technologie sind.

Nachher wird es ohne US-Technologie wiedererlangt.
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Mir scheint, China besinnt sich auf eine Lebensweisheit von Deng X. Ping: "verberge Deine Stärken." Ich bin der Meinung, dass wir zum Jahresende gehört, gehört mit einer 7-nm-CPU ...

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gadgetcool5 said:

This map really shows the problem with the Chinese tech situation.

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Google has a monopoly on the search market basically, letting it generate all their ad revenue.

Does not matter what any other company may do, it is very difficult to break a monopoly, unless there is government intervention.

They got there because America had first mover advantage with the internet.

Huawei with 5G appears poised to attain the same position of dominance in that market. That is why the US government went after it so hard. Does not appear to have worked, US government lost badly against their war versus Huawei.

We can guess who has first mover advantage in 5G networks.

horse said:

Google has a monopoly on the search market basically, letting it generate all their ad revenue.

Does not matter what any other company may do, it is very difficult to break a monopoly, unless there is government intervention.

They got there because America had first mover advantage with the internet.

Huawei with 5G appears poised to attain the same position of dominance in that market. That is why the US government went after it so hard. Does not appear to have worked, US government lost badly against their war versus Huawei.

We can guess who has first mover advantage in 5G networks.

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Nothing wrong with a monopoly if it provides what people need. Google products will be more helpful than not for Chinese productivity. Certain restrictions can be placed, but not as much as they do to Baidu.

Chinese should also be allowed to buy Google shares and one day might buy it up all together.

Orthan said:

So, Huawei´s 5G business may survive but its phone business is screwed because they cant produce high-end phones and cant really sell outside china. But i dont think that this is the end for chinese branded phones outside of china. AFAIK its only huawei that is barred from american tech, unless if ZTE is also barred. is it?

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7 nm core is high end phone, iphone 11 still use 7 nm too, is iphone 11 not high end ? Please don't double standard. Huawei Phone business wont be screwed just because of it, Huawei's buyers in China still a lot, remember the economic demography of China.

tamsen_ikard said:

Many people will not buy a phone if they cannot use Google Maps or Gmail or Facebook. So, OpenSource OS is not the problem. Its the services that American companies provide.

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Yes outside China maybe It will happen, but inside China with 300 million people in middle class it won't

And Huawei won't be sitting idle to watch his competitor grow, it will innovate too.

localizer said:

Nothing wrong with a monopoly if it provides what people need. Google products will be more helpful than not for Chinese productivity. Certain restrictions can be placed, but not as much as they do to Baidu.

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Monopolies are bad.

That is why there are anti-trust laws against them in most jurisdictions.

Even China has an Anti-Monopoly Law.

nugroho said:

Yes outside China maybe It will happen, but inside China with 300 million people in middle class it won't

And Huawei won't be sitting idle to watch his competitor grow, it will innovate too.

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Huawei is the number #1 selling cell phone brand in the entire world.

That basically is end of story.