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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Look PRC slapped the same local production and worse technical transfer and requirement of joint venture with a domestic manufacturer to deliver HSR trainsets to mainland China.
What goes around comes around.
At least the US doesn't have such governmental piracy type regulations.

Embellishing, huh? No Chinese entity has complained about having production in the US.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
:"Embellishing, huh? No Chinese entity has complained about having production in the US."

Embellishing, but mostly trying to spin things again. "Piracy-type regulations?" Haha, nobody forced anyone to do business with China. It's a compliment what Samurai said, really; he's saying that the Chinese are marvelous negotiators! If I sold my house worth $200K for $500K to a willing buyer, does that make me a pirate or negotiating genius?
 

siegecrossbow

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Probably doing it in Nevada since it's so sparsely populated.

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The idea: a drone taxi that can transport a single passenger for up to 23 minutes.

A Chinese company called EHang and the state of Nevada are trying to make this happen by moving forward with testing the EHang 184 drone. It's billed as the "world's first passenger drone capable of autonomously carrying a person in the air for 23 minutes,"
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"I personally look forward to the day when drone taxis are part of Nevada's transportation system," Tom Wilczek, Aerospace and Defense Industry Specialist for the Governor's Office of Economic Development,
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As The Guardian points out, that could take a while: "Given that fully autonomous road vehicles are unlikely to be widely available until the middle of the next decade, the time when commuters can simply jump in a flying autonomous taxi drone to get to work appears to be some time off yet."

The GOED and the Nevada Institute for Autonomous Systems reached an agreement with EHang last month and "will help guide EHang through the FAA regulatory process with the ultimate goal of achieving safe flight," according to the GOED statement.

The drone was first introduced in Nevada at the 2016 Consumer Electronics Show in January in Las Vegas. Testing is expected to begin this year at the Nevada
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, though no specific dates have been announced.

According to the video, the designer was inspired to design "an absolute safe aerial vehicle" after two of his friends were killed in airplane crashes.

The experience is meant to be extremely simple for the passenger. The company explains: "After setting up the flight plan with a single click, user can take off on any location, sit, relax and enjoy the flight."

It's that simplicity that has raised safety questions.
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after the drone was unveiled, "The first question I had was what would happen if the flight-control tablet crashed or some technical issue arose mid-flight." Similarly, "there weren't any physical controls such as a steering wheel or joystick to be found." The site says that according to EHang, there are "multiple fail-safes in place to take over if there's a specific failure," and a flight control center that "can intervene if necessary."
 

taxiya

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Well there is one reason... Lack of interest. The US is Road dominated, The era of the Train dominated US is long over and that rail that remains is mostly Industrial rail. Passenger rail for long haul has fallen deep into decline AMTRAK is notorious for being late and is kept alive only by Subsidy. Subway or Short rail is viable in some locations but limited to major cities well more rural area's long ago ripped up the trolley tracks. There are some major city runs for which HSR would be nice but are subject to the whims of politics and the question of funding NY to DC, Boston to NY, LA to Vegas and others but the Major California project has been controversial.
In other news LA to Vegas is off.
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I thought it again and reached a different conclusion than my other post #2585 which agrees to "lack of interest" as a reason.

The "lack of interest in HSR" is true to some people, but apparently not to XpressWest. XpressWest didn't cancel the deal by their own wish (officially). It was the "local production issue" that killed the deal as they claimed. The proposed LA/LV line may or may not be profitable, but that is the risk taken by XpressWest, not the government. If XpressWest want to do it, they must believe that there is enough interest in the ridership. So "lack of interest" is not the cause (officially).

If I understand AssassinsMace correctly, setting up local production for LA/LV line could be too late for the planned schedule. But then again, that regulation was there for 10 years, didn't XpressWest think about it when making up the construction schedule, didn't XpressWest talk to the CRI during the negotiation process and got some kind of guarantee that the local production facility is viable and possible to meet the plan? Why bet on "waiting the regulation to be changed" or something similar? It is puzzling that "lack of local production presence" is the reason when that issue should have been on the table from day one.

So I am back to my original skepticism of "lack of local production as the reason", but neither am I convinced that "lack of interest of HSR" is the reason. Probably, we will never know.
 

taxiya

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The HSR contract cancellation has some new progress. Now CRI and Xinhua come out with their version.

Here is Xinhua's editorial
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I quote some words below instead of the full translation.
新华社洛杉矶6月10日电(记者薛颖)近日,美国西部快线公司违反与中国铁路国际公司美国公司签订的有关协议,单方面发布终止项目合作的消息,显示出该公司对合作不负责任的态度。

根据中铁国际与西部快线公司于去年9月达成的合作框架协议,任何一方对外发布有关消息,必须经对方同意。然而西部快线公司不但单方面擅自发布终止合作的新闻公报,且在公报中声称,西部快线公司的雄心“超出了中铁国际及时有效推进该项目的能力”,如是托辞难以令人信服。
Reporter Xue Ying, Xinhua news agency at LA, reports on June 10th. XpressWest has broken the agreement with CRI America to make public of the cancellation without consent of CRI, it is very irresponsible.

According to the framework agreement signed september last year, any party making public disclosure of information, must have received the consent from the other party. However, XpressWest not only unilaterally declared the termination, but also stated that XpressWest's ambition exceeds CRI's capability of fulfillment, this excuse is not convincing.

事实上,自去年9月达成合作框架协议以来,中铁国际一直与西部快线公司就其提出的各种要求,进行耐心谈判。中方理解一些美国人建设高铁的迫切愿望,积极支持美国高铁建设项目,但合作诚意不等于无条件答应对方的“漫天要价”

Actually, since the signing of the agreement last september, CRI has been sincerely answerring all requests from XpressWest. CRI understand the pressing desire of some American to build HSR, CRI is proactively supporting such projects, but the sincerity of cooperation (from CRI side) does not equal to unconditional acceptance of the other party's "preposterous price demand".

I am not exaggerating but merely translate as close as possible. 漫天要价 is much more stronger than being translated to "unfair" (不公正的)or "unrealistic" (不现实的), it carries the meaning of ridiculous or outrages.

...... a paragraph generally stating CRI's capability (can meet the requirement).

人无信不立,业无信不兴。诚信是一切商业合作的基石。西部快线单方面擅自终止合作的行为,很容易毁掉自己的信誉。中国铁路总公司10日发表声明,表示已依法进行交涉。

Creditability is the foundation of any business cooperation. The unilaterally termination of the agreement by XpressWest damages the credibility of itself. CRI is going to take this matter (with XpressWest) through legal measures according to a statement by CRI on 10th.

The rest are something general analysis by the editor.

This is the CRI statement
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Here is my take,
  1. The statement from XpressWest focused on the unsolvable local production issue.
  2. CRI is attacking XpressWest ONLY, not the regulation of local production.
  3. CRI pointed out the "outrages price demand".
  4. CRI was not informed by XpressWest before XpressWest made public of the termination.
  5. CRI is more annoyed by the way XpressWest made the announcement, less or not the termination itself.
Once again it strengthens my belief that "local production is a cover story" by XpressWest. It is more evident to me that this termination is due to disagreement on details (from framework agreement to final contract) and XpressWest was trying to blame either the US government regulation or CRI's failure to meet the expectation.
 
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