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horse said:

That is how it is, that is how a business is run.

Every day there is a dark cloud.

But that is not correct.

Every day is a new day! With endless possibilities.

Maybe a German business is like that, every day a new dark cloud. Those Eastern Europeans tend to be like that.

A Chinese business, it is loud, it is bustling, it is vulgar, and it is happy. The dark cloud is just for someone else.

Huawei has its strengths. It has a lots of strength.

That is why this US government fight with Huawei is so interesting. This is strength against strength.

The Huawei base station IIRC needs two 7nm chips, which SMIC should be in a position to supply, if not now, then very soon.

At this point, we got to wonder how this fight will evolve or change, as we know this fight will not stop. Good.

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OK, I love your poetic optimism. It's absolutely necessary if you're an entrepreneur.

But Huawei is a huge multinational corporation and they can't plan their business too far around a lot of uncertainties. If you have run some large business or work with people at that level, you'll know what I'm talking about. I will not getting into a lot of details because it's going to be boring. Also, you can read some recent speech from Huawei rotating Chairman Xu Zhijun to get some better sense of understanding what they're thinking now.

Unmanned maintenance tech put into use on east China expressway

Making more and more things unmanned is actually highway to economic collaps... It is happening already, fewer and fewer young people can find a job, and lack of jobs making people leaving the cities and back to villages... Fewer people with salary, who can afford to buy some goods, means lowering the market, lowering the economy, heading to recession...
You just make everything unmanned, so ask machines to buy your products in the future, not men, coz men are increasingly unwanted in the future lol.

AF-1 said:

Making more and more things unmanned is actually highway to economic collaps... It is happening already, fewer and fewer young people can find a job, and lack of jobs making people leaving the cities and back to villages... Fewer people with salary, who can afford to buy some goods, means lowering the market, lowering the economy, heading to recession...
You just make everything unmanned, so ask machines to buy your products in the future, not men, coz men are increasingly unwanted in the future lol.

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there are some jobs better to be unmanned, and some better to be manned.

You are right that not all lower skill jobs should be unmanned. But some should be, like road cleaning and road maintenance, which are really hard jobs in difficult conditions. Other low skilled jobs that should be unmanned are things like warehouse jobs, otherwise you get situations like Amazon where workers have no time to do anything but work and piss in bottles.

Manned lower skill jobs should be something that isn't boring and has human interaction, like waiter, cashier, office janitor, secretary, hair stylist, etc.

AF-1 said:

Making more and more things unmanned is actually highway to economic collaps... It is happening already, fewer and fewer young people can find a job, and lack of jobs making people leaving the cities and back to villages... Fewer people with salary, who can afford to buy some goods, means lowering the market, lowering the economy, heading to recession...
You just make everything unmanned, so ask machines to buy your products in the future, not men, coz men are increasingly unwanted in the future lol.

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There is a big export market for these robots and machines. You need the engineers and AI experts to design these robots.

Actually cashiers are among first to get eliminated.
Machines are mostly the same like before, just became unmanned, for what no need much experts to design, and especially not much to produce and maintain/control (as AI takes more and more control over such machines in the future)

In case of China, low end workers made Chinese urbanization possible. Their super hard work made possible to send their children to colleges, who later became engine of economic growth. Thats now fading away, since fewer people can afford to send children to college from rural areas, and much fewer those graduated can find a job...

Problem is, there is no ballance between human/machine work, and reason is simple, overgreed of companies. They want machines to take as much as possible, and what remains for humans, they want to employ as few as possible, and those who are lucky enough to get that small pieces of cake will work 9-9-6...

AF-1 said:

Actually cashiers are among first to get eliminated.
Machines are mostly the same like before, just became unmanned, for what no need much experts to design, and especially not much to produce and maintain/control (as AI takes more and more control over such machines in the future)

In case of China, low end workers made Chinese urbanization possible. Their super hard work made possible to send their children to colleges, who later became engine of economic growth. Thats now fading away, since fewer people can afford to send children to college from rural areas, and much fewer those graduated can find a job...

Problem is, there is no ballance between human/machine work, and reason is simple, overgreed of companies. They want machines to take as much as possible, and what remains for humans, they want to employ as few as possible, and those who are lucky enough to get that small pieces of cake will work 9-9-6...

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I dont agree with this. Backwards countries are always marked by low machinization rate and mass dedication of human labor to simple blue collar roles. High tech cutting edge economies always employ a high rate of automation so a greater proportion of its workforce can become educated and fill white collar roles that generate more gdp per person. Remember that a person should be paid because s/he is contributing to society; society pays them because it needs their work. When the relationship is flipped, society pays the person because s/he needs money and accepts whatever s/he can contribute back, they actually become liabilities and semi-welfare cases holding back the advance of the nation. A person who stands there cutting holes in train tickets is not an asset; s/he eats food and consumes services that a machine does not need while performing no additional role. This person is a liability who basically eats up resources. The country must modernize and move forward as fast as it can in order to compete in the world; the people must understand that education, especially STEM education and innovation are the future. They cannot simply rely on a young body being able to do work. The Chinese government is doing its part; basic education is free (unless you count bribing teachers for review sessions as cost). You don't need parents who earn money through hard labor to get it; you just need a kid who's smart and willing to learn and the government will take care of every expense. As long as people understand to invest it all into education and innovation because that is the correct way to serve the country (and thus earn money) going forward rather than through menial labor, they will evolve along with a modernizing society and into a brighter future. It is those who simply refuse to study and insist on living in a past of earning a low wage salary through mindless work who will be left behind.

AF-1 said:

Making more and more things unmanned is actually highway to economic collaps... It is happening already, fewer and fewer young people can find a job, and lack of jobs making people leaving the cities and back to villages... Fewer people with salary, who can afford to buy some goods, means lowering the market, lowering the economy, heading to recession...
You just make everything unmanned, so ask machines to buy your products in the future, not men, coz men are increasingly unwanted in the future lol.

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Disagree. Having jobs for the sake of jobs isnt good for a country.

Did you see the video above? Maintenance was reduced from 200+ days to ~15 days.

Thats an enormous productivity increase. And saving a lot of money and in opportunity costs

sinophilia said:

Lol this is really silly, I am a geneticist and there is 0 risk that embryo selection will create millions of cripples. This has nothing to do with editing the genome.

edit: I see you replied specifically to my scenario of Americans creating super-geniuses so disregard the above.

But selecting for IQ with the method in the article is still very easy and will be done in the next few years. If Americans do decide to ignore their wokeism and go full-strength in this China will be incapable of competing in the slightest of ways.

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Advances in AI will make this pretty much a moot point....

China will hit AGI way before America births a generation of super smart citizens and wait 25 years for them to become full adults