New Type98/99 MBT thread


Sunbud

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Trying to understand what the pic is about.
Demonstrating the effectiveness of the quoted APFSDS round hitting different parts of a generic high-end MBT from different directions according to my judgement using published RHA values for a round with approx 600mm RHA penetration at 2KM.
A brief operator’s guide for the APFSDS round used by the ZPT98 125mm smoothbore gun, which is equipped on the Type-99 MBT.

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kwaigonegin

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Demonstrating the effectiveness of the quoted APFSDS round hitting different parts of a generic high-end MBT from different directions according to my judgement using published RHA values for a round with approx 600mm RHA penetration at 2KM.
I'm not a tank expert but why would a round hitting the rear be a catastrophic/crew killed scenario? I would say that would most likely be the 'safest' part to be hit.
 

Sunbud

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I'm not a tank expert but why would a round hitting the rear be a catastrophic/crew killed scenario? I would say that would most likely be the 'safest' part to be hit.
The rationale behind that is that the engine bay is generally unarmoured from the the rear. The engine itself is unlikely to completely stop the round before it penetrates into the crew compartment infront.

A round that hits the bustle from the rear wont struggle to penetrate the thin rear turret armour and penetrate the magazine and blastdoor into the crew compartment.

Again there are inaccuracies. Just my personal judgement with published RHA values
 

vesicles

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The rationale behind that is that the engine bay is generally unarmoured from the the rear. The engine itself is unlikely to completely stop the round before it penetrates into the crew compartment infront.

A round that hits the bustle from the rear wont struggle to penetrate the thin rear turret armour and penetrate the magazine and blastdoor into the crew compartment.

Again there are inaccuracies. Just my personal judgement with published RHA values
Vehicle engines are generally huge hunks of steel blocks. That would make them very good at stopping penetrations.
 

pipaster

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Class of vehicle kill. The importance of these kills is to both use up of recovery assets (ARVs), and use up spare parts (engines are always in limited supply) / technician time. Sort of like making personal casualties vice kills add strains to both within the cbt arms and medical services.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Vehicle engines are generally huge hunks of steel blocks. That would make them very good at stopping penetrations.
This is true. It does however mean a mission kill. As the vehicle is rendered disabled and there are generally fuel cells around it which would ignite and burn. A fire in a tank like a fire in any enclosed metal box filled with fuel and ammo is a rather emotional event for the crew inside.
This generally resorts in a "Oh my God the Tank is one fire" bail out.
 

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Class of vehicle kill. The importance of these kills is to both use up of recovery assets (ARVs), and use up spare parts (engines are always in limited supply) / technician time. Sort of like making personal casualties vice kills add strains to both within the cbt arms and medical services.
A fire in the Tank can render the Tank unsalvagable depending on ammo storage. IE a Carousel loader going BOOM or if it burns got enough changing the metal heat treat weakening it. Also a mobility kill can mean that the Tank is over run depending on conditions that may mean the Tank is captured. In the second world war the German army used tremendous numbers of captured allied armor.
 

Phead128

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China is in a unique situation where despite having the MOST number of neighoring nations (14 nations, tied with Russia), it really only has two potential enemies - Russian T-90S and Korean K2 Panther. That's crazy isn't it? Tanks are not suitable China's Western, Southern, or Eastern theatres (because China is so big, it hit the natural limits of tank worthy territory) exception of Northern theatre (Russia/Korean peninsula).
 

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