New sailless SSN (provisional)

Tomboy

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A colourized attempt on the photo of the 09X SSN at Jiangnan. Posted by @nAlex3164835810 on Twitter.

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I'm still not sure whether it has just a sensor mast stomp or an abnormally thin sail tbh. Whatever it has it's approximately the length of a normal sail but very thin, it doesn't seem to cast much of a shadow around it so it's also likely quite short.
 

dom146352

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nuclear-powered deep-water work station aka UUV mothership? This explains why it's so long and slender but doesn't seem to have VLS. We should now consider measuring how many HSU100s and AJX002s it can carry.

I remember Sutton estimated the AJX002's range to be more than 1000 nautical miles. If our crazy mission objective is a blockade of ports in the Pacific, this could be one of the delivery vehicles for the AJX002.
Instead of internally carrying UUVs It could act as an underwater version of aircraft refueling, recharging the batteries of new large UUVs:
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Power required for propulsion doubles every ~4 knots so a nuclear submarine with Integrated electric propulsion can travel at 18 knots instead of 30 knots and dedicate ~80% of it's power to recharging the UUVs, a 40MW nuclear submarine could keep 40 to 80 large UUVs recharged while the entire fleet is moving at 18 knots. Wireless charging is also a solved problem
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Instead of internally carrying UUVs It could act as an underwater version of aircraft refueling, recharging the batteries of new large UUVs:

China-XLUUV-940.jpg


Power required for propulsion doubles every ~4 knots so a nuclear submarine with Integrated electric propulsion can travel at 18 knots instead of 30 knots and dedicate ~80% of it's power to recharging the UUVs, a 40MW nuclear submarine could keep 40 to 80 large UUVs recharged while the entire fleet is moving at 18 knots. Wireless charging is also a solved problem
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Long, thin, fast, and will throw out a bunch of annoying Spider MineVulture.jpg
 

ENTED64

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Man this is a real headscratcher. This development took me completely by surprise, I'm still not sure what to think. I think the biggest shock is that it's been simultaneously produced at both JN and Bohai. This is a large presumably nuclear submarine, it's quite expensive. Given the PLAN track record, it is highly unusual for a first in class to go straight to mass production. Usually they do a period of testing and refinement before committing to mass production.

Further the fact that it was simultaneously produced at 2 shipyards tells us it is unlikely to be a one off or very small batch special purpose ship like Jimmy Carter. If that was the plan then why produce them at 2 shipyards instead of all at Bohai over a longer time period? Is it really such a urgent priority to set up production at JN for just 1 or 2 boats? Seems unlikely. More likely this is for mass production.

So we're left with a ship that is meant for mass production which seems to compete with the 095. In theory it could be multiple test vessels to see which design performs best but that also seems unlikely because these are very expensive boats and you wouldn't build 2 identical test vessels simultaneously at 2 different shipyards, that makes no sense.

So we're just left with a complement to 095? I suppose that's possible and indeed the US and Soviets did similar things during the Cold War. However it's not really clear to me how this will complement the 095. It has no VLS so it's not going to be some SSGN and you don't need that many spy boats. Underwater drone tenderer? I don't know, this whole situation is very bizarre, the multiple construction of first in class boats at different shipyards is very out of character for PLAN.
 

johncliu88

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moderator edit: moved to this thread from the 09V thread. If you're posting something new check if it's already been posted in a different thread first, I advise

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iewgnem

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Man this is a real headscratcher. This development took me completely by surprise, I'm still not sure what to think. I think the biggest shock is that it's been simultaneously produced at both JN and Bohai. This is a large presumably nuclear submarine, it's quite expensive. Given the PLAN track record, it is highly unusual for a first in class to go straight to mass production. Usually they do a period of testing and refinement before committing to mass production.

Further the fact that it was simultaneously produced at 2 shipyards tells us it is unlikely to be a one off or very small batch special purpose ship like Jimmy Carter. If that was the plan then why produce them at 2 shipyards instead of all at Bohai over a longer time period? Is it really such a urgent priority to set up production at JN for just 1 or 2 boats? Seems unlikely. More likely this is for mass production.

So we're left with a ship that is meant for mass production which seems to compete with the 095. In theory it could be multiple test vessels to see which design performs best but that also seems unlikely because these are very expensive boats and you wouldn't build 2 identical test vessels simultaneously at 2 different shipyards, that makes no sense.

So we're just left with a complement to 095? I suppose that's possible and indeed the US and Soviets did similar things during the Cold War. However it's not really clear to me how this will complement the 095. It has no VLS so it's not going to be some SSGN and you don't need that many spy boats. Underwater drone tenderer? I don't know, this whole situation is very bizarre, the multiple construction of first in class boats at different shipyards is very out of character for PLAN.
I think priors need to be questioned first, specifically the assumption that existence begins with observation
 
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