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I think this is the picture Crobato was talking about.
looks like 50550 and 50509 (probably 50559?)
A scan of J-10B
Two more J-10s
looks like 50550 and 50509 (probably 50559?)
A scan of J-10B
Two more J-10s
closer, but these are still just estimates. For example, the thrust should be higher at 132kN and max speed should be higher.
If you look at the patterned planes, they got the 3 door front gear style typical of the final production model. But the paint pattern puts them with the same group in the FTTC which we have seen the planes with the 2 door front gear style. Given that the prototype 1005 was never upgraded to the 3 doors when it was repainted to AVIC 0165, it is reasonable to assume that Chengdu never bothered to change the door format on the earlier planes.
Thus these two planes came to the FTTC after the 01 to 05 did, and probably represent the later planes in that batch. I am assuming that 1010 to 1016/19 is likely to have joined the FTTC as well as 1007 to 1009, which I believe is not retained in the CAC private base.
The yellow markings on the tail suggest this to be a recent picture. Too bad we cannot make out the numbers clearly. I am assuming the planes are still with the FTTC so the first number should be 7, but if they were changed, they may let us know where they were deployed to.
On plane 50509, I am guessing its just a simple goof up by the painter and the serials are supposed to be 50559.
On the plane specs, 123kn is true to 12,500kg which is the AL-31FN thrust. I think Mach 2.2 is just a rounded figure that is convenient with the authorities, since authorized figures tend to be a bit downplayed. Or it could be the one achieved with the AL-31FN engine, while the Mach 2.34 speed was achieved with the WS-10A. The sea level mach 1.2 is close to the mach 1.18 i've seen you posted and matches the test pilot blog.
Everything in that list seems reasonable to me.
Thus these two planes came to the FTTC after the 01 to 05 did, and probably represent the later planes in that batch. I am assuming that 1010 to 1016/19 is likely to have joined the FTTC as well as 1007 to 1009, which I believe is not retained in the CAC private base.
The yellow markings on the tail suggest this to be a recent picture. Too bad we cannot make out the numbers clearly. I am assuming the planes are still with the FTTC so the first number should be 7, but if they were changed, they may let us know where they were deployed to.
On plane 50509, I am guessing its just a simple goof up by the painter and the serials are supposed to be 50559.
On the plane specs, 123kn is true to 12,500kg which is the AL-31FN thrust. I think Mach 2.2 is just a rounded figure that is convenient with the authorities, since authorized figures tend to be a bit downplayed. Or it could be the one achieved with the AL-31FN engine, while the Mach 2.34 speed was achieved with the WS-10A. The sea level mach 1.2 is close to the mach 1.18 i've seen you posted and matches the test pilot blog.
Everything in that list seems reasonable to me.
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based on the J-10 stats crobato quoted from CDF
the lenght of the J-10 is not 15.5 meters, it's more closer to 16.50...
A Couple More Details - From AvWeek
As was to be expected, the most recent issue of Aviation Week (8 January 2007) includes an article on China's recent formal acknowledgement of the J-10 program.
A few new details were revealed with this article, however:
As was to be expected, the most recent issue of Aviation Week (8 January 2007) includes an article on China's recent formal acknowledgement of the J-10 program.
A few new details were revealed with this article, however:
- The article quotes an unnamed source as estimating the total number of "fielded" J-10 aircraft produced to-date as just over 100 fighters.
- The article confirms previous reports that the initial batches of operational J-10 fighters were deployed in Yunnan Province, opposite India. However, it suggests that more recent batches of production fighters are now being deployed opposite Taiwan:
"Reports from China indicate J-10 operations are expanding and that the fighter has now been operating in proximity of the Taiwan Strait, suggesting the work-up phase is formally over. The initial J-10 regiment, the 44th Division, is actually based closer to India, in Yunnan province. Some observers suspect China may also be ready to push the J-10 onto the export market."
Like I said before, J-10s were tracked towards Matsu trying to get ROC SAM radars to light up. These happened days before the formal announcement.
Whether or not they're photographed by US or Taiwan aircraft is probably irrelevant, especially with the tons of internet photos, news articles, declared engine purchases, satellite photos, and even model kits being sold of the thing.
At least 100 aircraft is consistent to at least 3 confirmed regiments, plus one possible and two in the process of conversion.
to Simonov, J-10 payload is 7t. At least that is what the articles are saying. 4.5t is the internal fuel load, which is quite a lot for a single engined fighter. That means plenty of endurance to keep up a fight and use its afterburners often. Remember there are planes out there on paper, has a high TWR but achieves that with a low internal fuel weight, making this paper advantage a bit moot since you can't use the ABs that often.
Now reviewing again the pic of the older FTTC J-10s up there, looks like they got the white uplink on the back of the canopy now fitted. Looks like a field upgrade.
Whether or not they're photographed by US or Taiwan aircraft is probably irrelevant, especially with the tons of internet photos, news articles, declared engine purchases, satellite photos, and even model kits being sold of the thing.
At least 100 aircraft is consistent to at least 3 confirmed regiments, plus one possible and two in the process of conversion.
to Simonov, J-10 payload is 7t. At least that is what the articles are saying. 4.5t is the internal fuel load, which is quite a lot for a single engined fighter. That means plenty of endurance to keep up a fight and use its afterburners often. Remember there are planes out there on paper, has a high TWR but achieves that with a low internal fuel weight, making this paper advantage a bit moot since you can't use the ABs that often.
Now reviewing again the pic of the older FTTC J-10s up there, looks like they got the white uplink on the back of the canopy now fitted. Looks like a field upgrade.
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