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AssassinsMace

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My problem with the first movie was the lack of antagonist. It was the sun or nature. It was a good cinematic effort but the story was lacking. I'm reading the storyline for Wandering Earth 2 and the antagonists are some technological terrorists that believe all of humanity should be uploaded...? You can't offend the sun and here you can't offend a fictional terrorist organization. The most obvious antagonist should be the West. If they're not making all the decisions, they'll be against it... Fact! Then you have Christians who'll most likely want the world to go through Armageddon so Jesus Christ returns. There would be a world war to prevent it from happening in the first place.
 

Breadbox

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So I've just saw a video about Bladerunner 2049's financial failure and Dune's financial success and I need to start another random lament.

I don't get it really, because the I personally think the former is a way better movie than the latter. Both movies are atmospheric and moody(which i dig) as it's both done by the same Director. I don't have any criticism of 2049 except that some of the drawn out sequences could shorter without taking anything away. It has a fresh story and touched poignantly on the less explored aspect of human emotion/themes.
if you haven't watched it yet, go and watch it and make sure to watch it with zero distractions around.

Dune's story.....let's be honest has being done to death by this point, a big bad evil mining corp is fighting a planet's natives(who's uber spiritual and in-tune with the environment) for resources while MC defects to the natives while inexplicable falling in love with some Native girl(look I like Avatar because Pandora has unbelievable pretty nature). I know its an adaption of a really old book, but it doesn't change the fact that I'm watching it in 2021. Good thing that avatar cut out the scene(it's on youtube) where the MC have to 1v1 some disgruntled native man who hate him for being an outsider.

The combat in Dune is just not for me personally, cold steel sword fights in futuristic armour looks abit goofy. But it's scenic and moody so I guess it has that going for it.
 

Breadbox

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My problem with the first movie was the lack of antagonist. It was the sun or nature. It was a good cinematic effort but the story was lacking. I'm reading the storyline for Wandering Earth 2 and the antagonists are some technological terrorists that believe all of humanity should be uploaded...? You can't offend the sun and here you can't offend a fictional terrorist organization. The most obvious antagonist should be the West. If they're not making all the decisions, they'll be against it... Fact! Then you have Christians who'll most likely want the world to go through Armageddon so Jesus Christ returns. There would be a world war to prevent it from happening in the first place.
Normally I don't like non historical movies that pinpoint any specific country as antagonists, but everything I've seen in the past 2 decade have told me that the most unrealistic thing about Wandering Earth isn't blowing up the moon or pushing the earth around, it's the US unironically being part of the "United Earth Government" , the chance of the US electing a Evangelical doomsday cultist, deliberately accelerating the apocalypse while sabotaging all efforts to save the Earth is far more believable than it contributing anything to a "World Government". The very idea of a world government would probably cause mass hysteria in the US and the reason why Evangelical doomsday cult would become popular in the first place.

Also, let's not say the "West" here, people like to say the "West" is this and that, but no, United States are those things, the rest is just kinda there through association but without any of the actual strength of the United States.

Come to think of, I'm going to watch Wandering Earth 2 a second time, the movie is quite packed and there's probably quite a few things I missed. But honestly, I find the cheery "Everyone cooperate to save the Earth" moments hard to sit through at times. It's like watching any fictional media involving natives and the European colonists, no matter what kind of cheerful, hopeful endings/message it has, it will never override the sense of unease/cynicism because you know that the reality could not be further from it.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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Normally I don't like non historical movies that pinpoint any specific country as antagonists, but everything I've seen in the past 2 decade have told me that the most unrealistic thing about Wandering Earth isn't blowing up the moon or pushing the earth around, it's the US unironically being part of the "United Earth Government" , the chance of the US electing a Evangelical doomsday cultist, deliberately accelerating the apocalypse while sabotaging all efforts to save the Earth is far more believable than it contributing anything to a "World Government". The very idea of a world government would probably cause mass hysteria in the US and the reason why Evangelical doomsday cult would become popular in the first place.

Also, let's not say the "West" here, people like to say the "West" is this and that, but no, United States are those things, the rest is just kinda there through association but without any of the actual strength of the United States.

Come to think of, I'm going to watch Wandering Earth 2 a second time, the movie is quite packed and there's probably quite a few things I missed. But honestly, I find the cheery "Everyone cooperate to save the Earth" moments hard to sit through at times. It's like watching any fictional media involving natives and the European colonists, no matter what kind of cheerful, hopeful endings/message it has, it will never override the sense of unease/cynicism because you know that the reality could not be further from it.
in WE2, a certain country is made up of doomers who want to give up. Chinese and Russians are actively trying to save the earth. they get hit with a few setbacks and go from "rah rah we are numba 1" to doomers, this has been proven time and time again from Vietnam to COVID where setbacks makes them give up.

making them villains is giving them power. making them into a joke (no spoilers, see elevator scene) and doomers tho?
 

broadsword

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Normally I don't like non historical movies that pinpoint any specific country as antagonists, but everything I've seen in the past 2 decade have told me that the most unrealistic thing about Wandering Earth isn't blowing up the moon or pushing the earth around, it's the US unironically being part of the "United Earth Government" , the chance of the US electing a Evangelical doomsday cultist, deliberately accelerating the apocalypse while sabotaging all efforts to save the Earth is far more believable than it contributing anything to a "World Government". The very idea of a world government would probably cause mass hysteria in the US and the reason why Evangelical doomsday cult would become popular in the first place.

Also, let's not say the "West" here, people like to say the "West" is this and that, but no, United States are those things, the rest is just kinda there through association but without any of the actual strength of the United States.

Come to think of, I'm going to watch Wandering Earth 2 a second time, the movie is quite packed and there's probably quite a few things I missed. But honestly, I find the cheery "Everyone cooperate to save the Earth" moments hard to sit through at times. It's like watching any fictional media involving natives and the European colonists, no matter what kind of cheerful, hopeful endings/message it has, it will never override the sense of unease/cynicism because you know that the reality could not be further from it.

Wouldn't that mean sacrificing the US market?
 

getready

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However it's a bit unfair for the Wandering earth 2 to earn less than wandering earth 1 when it's better in all aspects. Right now 3.6 B RMB it will be hard to gross more than the first movie.

The first movie always had the historical and pioneer factor that the second or no other Chinese sci fi movie had. It made a breakthrough in the field in Chinese cinema and also resonated hugely with the Chinese audience who have been and are still very critical towards local productions especially when they can compare to Hollywood ones. I mean the Shanghai fortress came out not long after and it was derided.

I watched the first one thinking all the time, wow this is incredible, I cant believe China made this, this is a real achievement….the script, the production value, the sleekness, the CGI tech, even the humour and emotional aspects were seamlessly infused to the story. I was well impressed.

note1: I haven’t seen the second one yet. Still not intent on going to movie theatres
note2: didn’t realize full river red doing quite well. Heard a lot about that movie, hoping to see it too. I like historical stuff and it has many of my fave actors.
 

getready

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I actually prefer the first one for that exact reason. The first movie was more intimate. The story focused on the struggles of one family instead of three distinct plotlines. Both Wu Jing and Wu Mengda's performances were incredible. Wu Mengda especially, was practically unrecognizable in this role.
Me too, the first movie was intimate and not overly convoluted, I do not like movies that try to be too smart and ends up being too complex and hard to follow. The first one was just nice. Although I was not fully able to appreciate the emotions of father son and family dynamics since it was based primarily on I believe the migrant worker family situation in China , it was still very powerful.
I thought all the actors performed well, none of the supporting actors felt out of place. Although wu mengda stood out as well to me since growing up watching him, he was mostly associated with comedy roles and particularly with Stephen chow. Sad that he passed away and he could not reprise his role in the prequel.
 

enroger

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The first movie always had the historical and pioneer factor that the second or no other Chinese sci fi movie had. It made a breakthrough in the field in Chinese cinema and also resonated hugely with the Chinese audience who have been and are still very critical towards local productions especially when they can compare to Hollywood ones. I mean the Shanghai fortress came out not long after and it was derided.

I watched the first one thinking all the time, wow this is incredible, I cant believe China made this, this is a real achievement….the script, the production value, the sleekness, the CGI tech, even the humour and emotional aspects were seamlessly infused to the story. I was well impressed.

note1: I haven’t seen the second one yet. Still not intent on going to movie theatres
note2: didn’t realize full river red doing quite well. Heard a lot about that movie, hoping to see it too. I like historical stuff and it has many of my fave actors.

Trust me, Full River Red is shit, it has been ridiculed to death in Chinese internet. Don't be fooled by the high box office, a lot of shady shits happened like box office manipulating, whole thing smells like a big money laundry exercise.

The plot is dumb as shit and has nothing to do with real history, if I tell you the plot it would make you bust a vein. If you're still hell bent on watching it wait for pirate ok? Don't contribute to people that fuck up the Chinese movie industry.

Wandering Earth 2 on the other hand is great, def recommended it. Just the space elevator scene is worth the ticket price for me, I have a couple of nit pick on the science but overall it was very enjoyable.
 

ficker22

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Trust me, Full River Red is shit, it has been ridiculed to death in Chinese internet. Don't be fooled by the high box office, a lot of shady shits happened like box office manipulating, whole thing smells like a big money laundry exercise.

The plot is dumb as shit and has nothing to do with real history, if I tell you the plot it would make you bust a vein. If you're still hell bent on watching it wait for pirate ok? Don't contribute to people that fuck up the Chinese movie industry.

Wandering Earth 2 on the other hand is great, def recommended it. Just the space elevator scene is worth the ticket price for me, I have a couple of nit pick on the science but overall it was very enjoyable.
Why is it that Zhang Yimou films can't get the quality of Hero and Shadow and the likes anymore?
 
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