Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics

Jeff Head said:

Sorry, but so many premises of this article are just flat out mistaken, or stretched to lead where the authors want it to lead.

Sort of like determining what the outcome of a scientific experiment is before the research is even conducted and then conducting the research to come up with just those conclusions.

Happens all the time.

In this case, the defenses being developed by the US are capable of hitting the incoming missiles before they deploy decoys.

In addition, the defensive system is already working and developing new methods to defeat added capabilities to the new offensive system is not so difficult as the authors would have you believe, particularly when the principle offensive system for attacking a moving carrier at sea has not even been operationally tested at all yet, much less successfully.

While these defensive systems have been tested and are continuing to be tested as we speak. The US Navy and US Military takes very seriously the defense of these vessels and have been and continue to apply the budgets necessary and, more importantly, the talent necessary to solve the problem. And they are solving them.

I say again, the entire talk about the Ballistic missile offensive weapon against carriers that is getting so much press rings much more (to me at least) of a Sung Tsu deception plan more than a real system. I am sure the plan is being studied...but I will take it as an actual weapon system much more seriously when actual tests far out into the China Sea or beyond are conducted. Even then, I will still consider them playing into the very strength of the AEGIS system defenses and would be willing to bet that other, true asymetrical weapons systems are more than likely getting a cover by the loud pronouncements about this system.

But that is just my own opinion.

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IronsightSniper said:

Yeah, but he's trying to make it Stealthy, and don't forget that Cheyenne mountain has a piece of paper that logs ever 2 inch object that's in space, so that only means that the DF-21D will be easier to detect, and thus, dealt with.

And yes, I can tell you that even though all these missile counter measures are possible, they are also possible to counter.

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IronsightSniper said:

Here's a query, are you expecting the DF-21D to be Air-launchable? That's a very far off conjecture. The reason why the DF-21D cannot be stealth is because it's a ballistic missile. Your hypothesis of it becoming air-launchable has no proof nor backing, but yes, air-launching a Ballistic missile will only improve it's capabilities. But for now, the DF-21D is what it is, a ballistic missile. And any country with OTH radars, including the U.S., Russia, and the like, will be able to detect a ballistic missile launch from China. If not the radars, then the satellites. In general, a ballistic missile is flawed for it's lack of Stealth, however, a DF-21D in concert with high speed sea-skimmers, that's different.

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Asymptote said:

I never said the ballistic missile can be made stealthy!!!
I was saying a missile traveling in SIMILAR SPEED as ballistic missile like the DF-21D, but smaller and can be carried by the J-20. Something like the X-51 hypersonic missile.

Ofcourse I know due to the air friction, it is impossible to make it stealthy. That's common knowledge. But before the missile is deploy while it sits inside the J-20 weapon bay, it is stealthy.

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Like I said above, I am implying a X-51 like hypersonic missile that can fly as fast as DF-21D and can be carry by J-20. If a ballistic missile can be launched from air, now, that's a great idea! And you heard it first, from me! I shall call it .... ALBM (Air-launched Ballistic Missile) !! EDIT: Looks like its been done before already LOL... the AGM-48 Skybolt.

So, ALBM is not a far-off unheard of concept. It is highly do-able. AGM-48 Skybolt was a fine example. If it needs to, I am sure PLA can find a way to miniturize DF-21D into ALBM like the Skybolt. But I think a hypersonic missile like the X-51 would be a better solution.

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delft said:

Does that mean the ballistic missiles are attacked by THAAD and SM-3 before they leave the atmosphere?

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IronsightSniper said:

But no such missile exists in the Chinese arsenal that we know of so why assume >.>

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And remember, the J-20 is not invisible. It still got about 10 years before initial deployment and you can only expect U.S. sensors to get better. I'm not only talking IR detection and not even advances in Radar detection but probably ELINT improvements. To speculate that a J-20 will even get 500 km away from a CBG is unfounded at best.

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So the question would be, why didn't they miniaturize it?

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Jeff Head said:

"Exo" may have noit been the best adjective.

Depending on where the platform is located and what platform is shooting, the US has demonstrated laser capability in the boost stage, and THAAD and SM3 can hit the missile above the atmosphere, as well as in the terminal phase.

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Asymptote said:

To be able to shoot at BM at boost stage, US has to position the interceptor pretty much unrealistically close to the launch site. The ballistic missile goes up at the rocket's maximum speed, so a interceptor has to be at least twice as fast to be able to even catch up vertically.

Now, QUESTION.

What happen if a ballistic missile is tiled with laser mirror reflector? Would the laser still be able to shoot it down?

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IronsightSniper said:

Anti-laser protection is already in use with the Iskander tactical missile. It does in fact use Mirror paint or something like that.

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Jeff Head said:

the US has demonstrated laser capability in the boost stage

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