Mobs attack XinJiang, PRC police station

Is this a new measure? Last time I was back, which was just over a year ago, I took the train to Beijing to catch the flight with a full kitchen knife set and a big fancy wok that I bought in my main luggage (which might have blocked the knives from the scanner, but then you would expect them to want to open the luggage if much of what was inside was obscured by a huge metal object). I cannot remember if the bags passed any scanners, probably no as my memory isn't that bad, but even if it did pass through, no one thought to ask me to open my luggage.

There are the standard security measures and probably more so, as I distinctly remember being asked to put my bags through a scanner at a port once. But you can see it in the eyes and manner of the security staff - they are not expecting trouble and are largely going through the motions. Security in the US and UK are much more focused and mean business. Probably a little too much so sometimes, as I saw two police officers with G36s at Newcastle airport the other day, which stuck me as an utterly inappropriate weapon to have in any crowded public place. Even if they headshot a terrorist clean, the bullet could take out two civilians behind him if they were unlucky enough to be in line.

OTOH, the security at Beijing international (the new one) didn't even seem to have batons.

I am not saying China is wide open for just anyone with a half baked plan to be able to commit a big attack, but it would be a lot easier to carry out such an attack against China than the west. It is something that needs to be realized and properly addressed, because it is unwise to leave yourself unnecessarily exposed to potential threats.

Maybe they are just doing a half-ass job with lazy ethics, but I guess they don't expect they are ever going to meet a terrorist anyways.

Were you bringing the knives with you on the plane or as checked in baggage? I would be very surprised if it was the former. Which reminds me of that scene in Kill Bill 1 where Uma Thurman was sitting on a plane with her katana propped up beside her. :D

I remember back in 2008-2009, I brought my nunchuks with me on trains (in China). I made over a dozen trips, and was only questioned about it once, and the security lady let me go inside anyway. Previously, there was even a security guy who commented that I had nunchuks in my bag, but didn't even bother questioning me. That was an interesting experience.

What are you doing walking around with a pair of nunchuks anyways LOL
I'd think they are more curious why you have them than be afraid you try to pull off a Bruce Lee in front of them. Even if you are, they don't really care; probably just tell you to sit back down after you finish your performance, or take away your ticket.

So yea you see, that's why I don't think any terrorists will be amused, not to mention lose their mood, if no one's really feeding their intentions. Even if a person blew up all the sudden, the story probably comes out as some unemployed bum getting pissed off at the world.

No, it was check in luggage. You couldn't even get a pencil sharpener onto a plane in your hand luggage these days, or maybe it was just an overzealous security officer. :p

Although funnily enough I did managed to get a Chinese sword checked in on a plane once. But the irony was the security people had a real problem with my laser pointer key ring that I sometimes used for presentations. They didn't even comment on the 4ft long sword...

Talk about getting your priorities straight. :)

Wow what's wrong with you both? You carry all sorts of weapons with you onboard trains and stuffs. I know this is SDF, but still no need to go that far!! lol joking joking. nice experience there.

Oh and I guess another reason they didn't care is because no one kills people with swords these days. Next time imma try and bring a Chukonu and a guandao onboard...
 
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solarz

Brigadier
What are you doing walking around with a pair of nunchuks anyways LOL
I'd think they are more curious why you have them than be afraid you try to pull off a Bruce Lee in front of them. Even if you are, they don't really care; probably just tell you to sit back down after you finish your performance, or take away your ticket.

I was travelling around quite a bit at that time, so I was carrying them both for fun (practice), and for self-defense, just in case.

I know that common sense says that you can't attack anyone with nunchuks. It's more of a defensive weapon than anything. However, it could still be classified as a weapon, and common sense is in precious short supply at security checks. I'm pretty sure I'd never have gotten away with carrying them aboard a plane.
 
I was travelling around quite a bit at that time, so I was carrying them both for fun (practice), and for self-defense, just in case.

I know that common sense says that you can't attack anyone with nunchuks. It's more of a defensive weapon than anything. However, it could still be classified as a weapon, and common sense is in precious short supply at security checks. I'm pretty sure I'd never have gotten away with carrying them aboard a plane.

hope this is not what you have in mind..
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Red___Sword

Junior Member
OK, with the bad guys baged and tagged in few days, the thread's focus shifted to "transportation security measures" in China mainland.

Look, when any of you, despite Chinese ethnic, going to China, you don't being called "foreigner" for nothing - foreigners are more a trouble of demanding superior treats, than actually making any sensable trouble, in the eyes of public security personnels.

It may sounds too self-rightous but Chinese public security personnels (all kinds of authorities) consider themselves "got people figured out" - it is cold, but by the "looks" of you, with their years of experience to interact with all walks of life of the society, they can make a "grade" of your potential threat (you, being potentially threat to the society) - And that is any "you", including me the Chinese citizen.

The thing is they are almost right.

To make it simple, a "graded" 'foxy' guy together with his pals trying to take a ride on a train, have a far more serious potential to afterwards deceive a "pure and dump" peasant's year-worth of earning, and causing tromentous unrest, right at the middle of public place - than a "playboy" who carries katana tring aboard a train, just for show (of his collection). Another typical case is that you the businessman with fancy hardwares who "gives the look" when people try to peek you iphone, is much easier to "handel", when a simple labor worker boarding a train with explosive materials in his pack, only tring to save some money for anything that "cost" his journey furthermore (maybe they being asked to mail it home, and it's costy, and the worker purely tring luck, even knowing carrying certain things is not allowed)...

In other hand, any form of "intel collecting" in China do not majorly carried out by serious authority people with serious uniform - but by the lowest level of "neighborhood watch" nannies, who "knows everybody's face in and out the area" - what chances a serious faced jihadist can bypass this kind of "know your face" defence mechenism?

The reason I mention tier 1 cities like Beijing Shanghai and Grangzhou are still suspectable to terrorism, it is that the 民工潮 peasant-worker-tide is countrywide nowadays, "profiling" alone, ain't that effective. Bad things still can happen if any PSB measure takes a break and people fighting for ideals takes that chance.

OT: Non-Chinese ethinic foreigners, don't try the stunt solarz pulled off, while the authorities may be lesser than care of what you trying to be funny - local Chinese citizens may feel vastly offended if double-standard of security measure being showed (that "foreigners can get away") - outright unrest may find you sooner than you can read "G.W.B."...
 
OK, with the bad guys baged and tagged in few days, the thread's focus shifted to "transportation security measures" in China mainland.

Look, when any of you, despite Chinese ethnic, going to China, you don't being called "foreigner" for nothing - foreigners are more a trouble of demanding superior treats, than actually making any sensable trouble, in the eyes of public security personnels.

It may sounds too self-rightous but Chinese public security personnels (all kinds of authorities) consider themselves "got people figured out" - it is cold, but by the "looks" of you, with their years of experience to interact with all walks of life of the society, they can make a "grade" of your potential threat (you, being potentially threat to the society) - And that is any "you", including me the Chinese citizen.

The thing is they are almost right.

To make it simple, a "graded" 'foxy' guy together with his pals trying to take a ride on a train, have a far more serious potential to afterwards deceive a "pure and dump" peasant's year-worth of earning, and causing tromentous unrest, right at the middle of public place - than a "playboy" who carries katana tring aboard a train, just for show (of his collection). Another typical case is that you the businessman with fancy hardwares who "gives the look" when people try to peek you iphone, is much easier to "handel", when a simple labor worker boarding a train with explosive materials in his pack, only tring to save some money for anything that "cost" his journey furthermore (maybe they being asked to mail it home, and it's costy, and the worker purely tring luck, even knowing carrying certain things is not allowed)...

In other hand, any form of "intel collecting" in China do not majorly carried out by serious authority people with serious uniform - but by the lowest level of "neighborhood watch" nannies, who "knows everybody's face in and out the area" - what chances a serious faced jihadist can bypass this kind of "know your face" defence mechenism?

The reason I mention tier 1 cities like Beijing Shanghai and Grangzhou are still suspectable to terrorism, it is that the 民工潮 peasant-worker-tide is countrywide nowadays, "profiling" alone, ain't that effective. Bad things still can happen if any PSB measure takes a break and people fighting for ideals takes that chance.

OT: Non-Chinese ethinic foreigners, don't try the stunt solarz pulled off, while the authorities may be lesser than care of what you trying to be funny - local Chinese citizens may feel vastly offended if double-standard of security measure being showed (that "foreigners can get away") - outright unrest may find you sooner than you can read "G.W.B."...

Aside from spelling "handle" wrong, I get your entire post, and I think you've made a very good point. Much credits to you for this good post, and I agree with you. You've shown a new light that I failed to notice prior. It's quite true, that there are never any flashy terrorist, or at least anyone who seeks trouble. The last thing they want is unnecessary attention. In addition, true again, that "outsiders" like us are merely people who seek troubles with civic services and the law aspects, but not the security concerns they're looking at.

Good one Red Sword. Totally give this one to you
 

solarz

Brigadier
hope this is not what you have in mind..

ROFL, those are great!

OK, with the bad guys baged and tagged in few days, the thread's focus shifted to "transportation security measures" in China mainland.

Look, when any of you, despite Chinese ethnic, going to China, you don't being called "foreigner" for nothing - foreigners are more a trouble of demanding superior treats, than actually making any sensable trouble, in the eyes of public security personnels.

It may sounds too self-rightous but Chinese public security personnels (all kinds of authorities) consider themselves "got people figured out" - it is cold, but by the "looks" of you, with their years of experience to interact with all walks of life of the society, they can make a "grade" of your potential threat (you, being potentially threat to the society) - And that is any "you", including me the Chinese citizen.

The thing is they are almost right.

To make it simple, a "graded" 'foxy' guy together with his pals trying to take a ride on a train, have a far more serious potential to afterwards deceive a "pure and dump" peasant's year-worth of earning, and causing tromentous unrest, right at the middle of public place - than a "playboy" who carries katana tring aboard a train, just for show (of his collection). Another typical case is that you the businessman with fancy hardwares who "gives the look" when people try to peek you iphone, is much easier to "handel", when a simple labor worker boarding a train with explosive materials in his pack, only tring to save some money for anything that "cost" his journey furthermore (maybe they being asked to mail it home, and it's costy, and the worker purely tring luck, even knowing carrying certain things is not allowed)...

In other hand, any form of "intel collecting" in China do not majorly carried out by serious authority people with serious uniform - but by the lowest level of "neighborhood watch" nannies, who "knows everybody's face in and out the area" - what chances a serious faced jihadist can bypass this kind of "know your face" defence mechenism?

The reason I mention tier 1 cities like Beijing Shanghai and Grangzhou are still suspectable to terrorism, it is that the 民工潮 peasant-worker-tide is countrywide nowadays, "profiling" alone, ain't that effective. Bad things still can happen if any PSB measure takes a break and people fighting for ideals takes that chance.

OT: Non-Chinese ethinic foreigners, don't try the stunt solarz pulled off, while the authorities may be lesser than care of what you trying to be funny - local Chinese citizens may feel vastly offended if double-standard of security measure being showed (that "foreigners can get away") - outright unrest may find you sooner than you can read "G.W.B."...

Yes and no.

I once saw a peasant-looking man carrying a large bag being stopped by police in front of the Tiananmen Square for no apparent reason. He was forced to open his bags and let the police examine their contents. This is an example of profiling, where the Law Enforcement agents pick out "suspicious" targets and conduct extra security checking on them.

On the other hand, when I was in Shanghai during the Expo, I was not even able to visit my dad at the hotel he was staying in, because that hotel required visitors to present their IDs, which I obviously don't have, not being a Chinese citizen and all. Not every hotel did this, but the one my dad stayed at did, and it was incredibly annoying. Even after I've been in and out a dozen times (after getting my dad to meet me in the lobby), the exact same security guards would still keep asking me for ID, as if I hadn't told him a million times before that I didn't have one!

I'm pretty sure it's okay to bring nunchuks aboard a train, at least back in 2008. Who knows, they might have changed policy since.
 
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T-U-P

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Yes and no.

I once saw a peasant-looking man carrying a large bag being stopped by police in front of the Tiananmen Square for no apparent reason. He was forced to open his bags and let the police examine their contents. This is an example of profiling, where the Law Enforcement agents pick out "suspicious" targets and conduct extra security checking on them.

On the other hand, when I was in Shanghai during the Expo, I was not even able to visit my dad at the hotel he was staying in, because that hotel required visitors to present their IDs, which I obviously don't have, not being a Chinese citizen and all. Not every hotel did this, but the one my dad stayed at did, and it was incredibly annoying. Even after I've been in and out a dozen times (after getting my dad to meet me in the lobby), the exact same security guards would still keep asking me for ID, as if I hadn't told him a million times before that I didn't have one!

I'm pretty sure it's okay to bring nunchuks aboard a train, at least back in 2008. Who knows, they might have changed policy since.
Wouldn't your passport counted as a valid ID?
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Not every hotel did this, but the one my dad stayed at did, and it was incredibly annoying. Even after I've been in and out a dozen times (after getting my dad to meet me in the lobby), the exact same security guards would still keep asking me for ID, as if I hadn't told him a million times before that I didn't have one!

That brings me back to the times I visited Soviet Russia. On each floor there was a security person KGB? (Smirsch ?LOL) who recorded ones coming and goings. I deliberately pretended I had forgotten something after leaving my room and going down the first flight of stairs, and returned to my room. I deliberately did this several times on each occasion.

I reckon my entry on her log book would have read something like this
Guest in room 204 left 0800 l returned 802 left ,803returned ,805 left, 806 left, and so on for a few more times.Until she gave me that okay smart ar-e look knock it off.
 
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