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I thought they agreed to turn a new leaf and let bygones be bygones in 1991? I had a Vietnamese friend tell me they don't teach about Sino-Vietnam war in school because China is supposed to be our friends.
There is a short summary about Sino-Vietnam war being taught in school, as for the “agree to turn a new leaf and let bygones be bygones in 1991”. It is true until the territory dispute broke out in South China Sea and now it just nothing more than a mere word. The Vietnamese citizen are generally furious about that, the pro ROVN government and the ultra nationalist Vietnamese just making it worse.
 

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The former (being a minority) are forced through circumstance to band together to a common identity. Food for thought.
But I am not sure if I understand your suggestion in this sentence. I think the conclusion is the opposite, that is being a minority always keep you different.
I mean that ABCs in the west, being the minority, tend to band together with other ABCs and view society in an 'us vs them' sense. That is, their worldview tends to be more stratified along the lines of ethnicity rather than citizenship or nationality. Hence why they are more supportive of China, because there is a shared ethnic heritage there.

Anyway, I agree with the rest of your post, I just find it hilarious how ~50% of westerners unironically believe Singapore to be a Chinese province or city. So it doesn't matter if you consider yourself Singaporean first when most foreigners are still going to classify you as a Chinaman.
 

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There is a short summary about Sino-Vietnam war being taught in school, as for the “agree to turn a new leaf and let bygones be bygones in 1991”. It is true until the territory dispute broke out in South China Sea and now it just nothing more than a mere word. The Vietnamese citizen are generally furious about that, the pro ROVN government and the ultra nationalist Vietnamese just making it worse.
Are the Vietnamese people aware of the power disparity between China and Vietnam or do they resemble the Jai Hind crowd in their levels of delusion?
 

Egg roll

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Are the Vietnamese people aware of the power disparity between China and Vietnam or do they resemble the Jai Hind crowd in their levels of delusion?
The Vietnamese in general are aware of the power disparity between China and Vietnam. But the pro ROVN and ultra nationalist one is the Jai Hind type, those one occupies quite a large number of population ( around 30% - 40% )
 

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The Vietnamese in general are aware of the power disparity between China and Vietnam. But the pro ROVN and ultra nationalist one is the Jai Hind type, those one occupies quite a large number of population ( around 30% - 40% )
What would you say the ratio of pro-CCP to pro-US is like among Vietnamese Chinese?

Also do you guys face any discriminatory laws like Chinese do in Malaysia?
 

Michaelsinodef

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What would you say the ratio of pro-CCP to pro-US is like among Vietnamese Chinese?
I think something like that is really hard to tell/gauge at the end of the day (and polls can't just easily be trusted either).

Although we can safely say there 100% is a subset (probably not small at all) of rather nationalistic and anti-China/anti-CPC vietnamese people, but at the same time, there very much is also many who do like China and is pro-CPC.

Although I can't put any numbers, nor am I sure of which side outnumbers the other (would not be surprised if either outnumbered the other).
 

Egg roll

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What would you say the ratio of pro-CCP to pro-US is like among Vietnamese Chinese?

Also do you guys face any discriminatory laws like Chinese do in Malaysia?
I would say the pro-CCP Vietnamese Chinese is lesser than 15%, the rest is pro-Us.
We do face some discriminatory laws in the past ( 1976 - 1986 to be precise). At that time, all Chinese newspapers are closed, followed by Chinese schools, the government confiscated the Chinese property ( my family was a victim of that incident too ). Large and small enterprises of Chinese were nationalized. The economic position of the majority of Chinese bourgeoisie was abolished, and the state tightened control of the economy. The government also took over the Chong Chinh hospital build by Chinese. The government also try to get rid of the Chinese ethnic out of Vietnam. But after 1986, the situation was improved, no more discriminatory law against the Chinese.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Hardwarezone is the embodiment of the average sub 35 year old Singaporean. A very unpleasant and unlikeable individual in general. East Asian societies tend to be materialistic, competitive, and resemble a rat race. However, PRC, Taiwanese, Koreans and Japanese are generally still happy to see their peers succeed, and in China, it is common to give back generously to your home village if you get rich.

Singapore stands out in this regard - to an average Singaporean, it's not enough that he or she succeeds - everyone else around them must fail too. And if someone else does succeed, then their success is directly taking away from yours. Singaporeans truly are a special breed of unpleasant. And all this is coming from a Singaporean.
Filipinos are like this too to a certain degree, which is why the biggest hater on Filipinos abroad are their own kind. It's not enough that they ought to be proud of whatever good accomplishments their fellow compatriots did but instead, they would make sparky, insulting remarks to try and diminish that said person as nothing burger.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Then the question must be asked: why is it so effective among Chinese Singaporeans but not among ethnic Chinese in the west? At least not to the same degree. I grew up in Australia and Canada and served NS in Singapore, so I can attest to this - ABCs are more supportive of China than their Singaporean counterparts. Perhaps it has something to do with being a minority vs being part of the majority. The former are forced through circumstance to band together to a common identity. Food for thought.
You grew in Canada too eh? Goof for you, at least you're able to experience the good sunny weather of Australia compared to the usual winter wonderland that's the beauty of Canada. But if your base was Vancouver, then it's nothing but miserable rain surrounded by gorgeous mountains and sea of drug addicts.
 

Overbom

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Here it is
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  • Allusions to China peppered throughout a joint statement seen by the Post, including the group’s efforts to help ‘eradicate forced labour’
  • Technology is being used to ‘perpetrate human rights violations and abuses, engage in forms of repression and undermine the security of other nations’, they say
In sun-drenched Paris on Sunday, EU and US officials fine-tuned a blueprint to counter what they see as autocrats’ efforts to harness trade and technology for nefarious means.

A joint statement seen by the South China Morning Post, to be released after the second meeting of the Trade and Technology Council (TTC) on Monday, contains only a single nod to Beijing, in reference to its dominance of the rare earth minerals market, and many mentions of Russia
But there are obvious allusions to China peppered throughout.

Among the agreements thrashed out in Paris was the establishment of a tripartite dialogue on trade and labour between the EU, US and civil society that will work to “eradicate forced labour”.
Other parts of the text vow to outmuscle authoritarians on technology, which is being used to “perpetrate human rights violations and abuses, engage in forms of repression and undermine the security of other nations”, according the text.
The council wants to set the rules of the road for advanced technology like artificial intelligence, 6G and beyond so they cannot be used as “tools of repression” and “arbitrary or surveillance, coercion and cyber threats”.

“If you look at the working groups that we’ve created in the TTC, about half of them deal with different facets of these issues. So definitely that challenge posed by the PRC is something that we are very focused on,” she added.
 
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