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Does the VCP not promote the CPC as fellow socialist comrades? Or is Vietnam infiltrated with western propaganda too? Maybe it has something to do with China's history of imperialism in Vietnam?
Only a small number of VCP do promote the CPC as fellow socialist comrades, the rest do not. It is heavily due to China history of imperialism in Vietnam as well as the current territory dispute in South China Sea.
 

Abominable

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Both claims are wrong.

1- Erdogan lost all of the important cities of Turkey to the opposition in 2019. His ability to rig elections is nowhere close to Putin's. He has elections next year too and he is less popular than ever.
Turkey is not a democracy. This is the position of America and pretty much all western countries. Turkey wasn't invited to the "Summit for Democracy" because America doesn't consider it a democracy.

Bringing up the internal machinations of Turkish domestic politics is pointless, as is comparing him to Russia which is also not a democracy in the western sense.

Erdogan has been in power for 20 years. Whoever replaces him will likely be a dictator as well. It's just how Turkish culture and society is. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion, but it is antithetical to western values.
2- No it isn't. That is a very simplistic look. Turkey has actual problems with both Sweden and Finland. It is about Sweden and Finland. Turkey is not trying to blackmail the USA. The USA doesn't need these countries at all. If it wants to fight for them it can just sign an MDT with them too.

You said NATO is a military alliance. It is true. It is a military alliance that makes it mandatory for all of its members to spill blood in case a member gets attacked. Turkey by not vetoing Sweden and Finland would agree to go to war for these countries' territorial integrity. Of course Turkey will demand things before agreeing to die and kill for these countries, which it has disputes with. I think most people do not understand the gravity of the responsibility NATO members have towards each other. This is not Biden's summit of democracies. By joining you accept getting vanished in a nuclear war for existing members. By letting someone join you accept getting vanished for that country. Funnily enough, the requirement of NATO to go to war for protecting Turkey (because it is a member) was the primary argument against NATO membership in Sweden. Now, thanks to Russia they have no problems with protecting Turkey :D.
The USA can sign an MDT. None of Turkey's business.
What disputes does Turkey have with Finland and Sweden that they don't have with the UK, Germany and other countries? YPK and other Kurdish groups have been supported by the west.

Of course this could just be an excuse to prevent Finland from joining and Turkey being the useful fall guy. Americans have pulled that off before - like claiming border disputes need to be settled as a perquisite for membership.

We'll know if Turkey quickly drops their objections.
 

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Malaysian Chinese are so much more likeable in general, I don't know what it is, maybe getting abused for a lifetime by rigged bumiputra policies has something to do with it. Stockholm syndrome shit. Or maybe it's something in the water. Idk.

I am under 35 myself but I despise Singaporeans my age, I literally cannot be around them. All my Singaporean friends (teachers is probably the right word) are 40+. They all simp for China, frequently read zaobao, listen to Xi Jinping speeches and call out western bullshit and hypocrisy. That's the kind of people I wanna be around lol.


Bro, did the older generations (parents of millenials, gen z) loosened the grip on their childs moral education?

Or is the fact that since anglo is the public language it is such a strong pull factor for " i hate myself and all asians because we are not white, but by hating myself and my fellow kin, i become honorary white" ?
 

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Bro, did the older generations (parents of millenials, gen z) loosened the grip on their childs moral education?

Or is the fact that since anglo is the public language it is such a strong pull factor for " i hate myself and all asians because we are not white, but by hating myself and my fellow kin, i become honorary white" ?
More of the second point. I think it was over the moment Lee Kwan Yew designated English as Singapore's main language. At that very moment he unknowingly turned his nascent country into a future western vassal state.
 

ficker22

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Btw is there a renaming of gen Z or anything happening, because of you know what

I don’t think it about being a minority vs being a majority. In Vietnam, the Chinese are minority yet there are quite a lot of them hate the CPC to the core, they think Taiwan is more Chinese than China in term of culture and support the Us to bring down the current government of China. In China, the Chinese are majority obviously yet I saw some of them uploaded some content that has Vietnamese titled. And it mostly about how they think China don’t have real Chinese culture but rather Taiwan, how they anti CPC. It comments section are filled with ethnic Chinese in Vietnam ally with them and the ultra nationalist Vietnamese taking advantage of it to bash Chinese.


It's super traditional chinese to eat ractopamine infested pork

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Only a small number of VCP do promote the CPC as fellow socialist comrades, the rest do not. It is heavily due to China history of imperialism in Vietnam as well as the current territory dispute in South China Sea.
I thought they agreed to turn a new leaf and let bygones be bygones in 1991? I had a Vietnamese friend tell me they don't teach about Sino-Vietnam war in school because China is supposed to be our friends.
 

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Oh shit... I used to love their products. But another microcosm of Japanese economy and industries.... stuck in the past and trying to squeeze remaining profits from past glories.

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Classic Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy​

Maker of stereos and speakers doomed by market shift to streaming and smartphones

KENTO HIRASHIMA, Nikkei staff writerMay 13, 2022 23:40 JST

OSAKA -- Japanese audio equipment maker Onkyo Home Entertainment filed for bankruptcy at Osaka District Court on Friday, with total liabilities of around 3.1 billion yen ($24 million).

The Osaka-based company was delisted in August. It was unable to keep pace with changes in how people listen to music, as users shift from audio equipment like compact stereo systems -- once Onkyo's core business -- to devices like smartphones for streaming services.
 
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Oh shit... I use to love their products. But another microcosm of Japanese economy and industries.... stuck in the past and trying to squeeze remaining profits from past glories.

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Classic Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy​

Maker of stereos and speakers doomed by market shift to streaming and smartphones

KENTO HIRASHIMA, Nikkei staff writerMay 13, 2022 23:40 JST

OSAKA -- Japanese audio equipment maker Onkyo Home Entertainment filed for bankruptcy at Osaka District Court on Friday, with total liabilities of around 3.1 billion yen ($24 million).

The Osaka-based company was delisted in August. It was unable to keep pace with changes in how people listen to music, as users shift from audio equipment like compact stereo systems -- once Onkyo's core business -- to devices like smartphones for streaming services.
Their median age is literally 48.4 lol

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Then the question must be asked: why is it so effective among Chinese Singaporeans but not among ethnic Chinese in the west? At least not to the same degree. I grew up in Australia and Canada and served NS in Singapore, so I can attest to this - ABCs are more supportive of China than their Singaporean counterparts. Perhaps it has something to do with being a minority vs being part of the majority. The former are forced through circumstance to band together to a common identity. Food for thought.
Perhaps it has something to do with being a minority vs being part of the majority.
I agree with this.

The former (being a minority) are forced through circumstance to band together to a common identity. Food for thought.
But I am not sure if I understand your suggestion in this sentence. I think the conclusion is the opposite, that is being a minority always keep you different.

Any way here is what I think. An oversea Chinese is seen by the majority as a Chinese regardless the legal status, citizen or not, where you are born. Nobody is going to ask that. This would create a barrier to identify with the majority, therefor oversea Chinese are split in two groups or the mind is split in two parts, one is supportive to China to some degree, the other is to bend oneself to fit the mainstream. So you see some oversea Chinese being more supportive to China.

Singaporean on the other hand is the majority in their country. Their identity is Singaporean first and foremost. Chinese is just a marker from the long past. Their Chinese-ness is no more than European-ness among Americans. They don't have the burden to bend themselves. But that lack of pressure does NOT necessarily lead them to be close to China in any way. Their first concern is their neighbours and to secure themselves from possible hostilities they seek outside power. That outside power is USA from the day of Singapore became independent. In exchange Singapore will do whatever USA asks them to do. Having their ancestors coming from China some hundred years ago doesn't save their lives today. The bottom line is that, people first and foremost care for themselves, bloodline, kinship, ideology and religion are nothing if they don't serve the purpose.

About Lee the father and son. Lee Kuan Yew had the policy to balance between US and China because US and China were in a relative easy relationship in his time compared to today, so he had the luxury. Today's Singapore is pressed by US to take the side against China, Lee Hsien Loong deems it is better to comply. Look at EU, China and EU were in a better relationship before Biden, now when US press EU, EU is willing to sacrifice its own interest to comply. A weaker entity does not have the luxury to serve its best interest, it has to choose between the worse and the worst. I am not making excusses for LHL or EU, but only saying that their countries lack the power.
 
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