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plawolf

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Suicide bombing against Chinese nationals in Pakistan!

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At least they are ok. Rest in Peace for the 2 children killed.

Pakistan keeps dropping the ball. If it cannot provide security how does it expect further development and CPEC to proceed smoothly?

Pakistani police, intelligence, and armed services are obviously not on par. Not inspiring confidence on their capabilities if every month, terrorist attacks keep happening.

China should reexamine CPEC if Pakistan doesn't start taking the matter seriously. The current Pakistani Administration is too soft with these terrorists. No country can accept having its citizens getting targeted every month

You seem to be entirely overlooking the fact that this sort of reaction is precisely what the attackers are hoping for.

No country can be 100% safe against state sponsored terrorism, especially from a land neighbour with a vast contrasted boarder.

These terrorist attacks on Chinese nationals are achieving precious little real damage, the 9 deaths from the earlier attack was more down to fluke bad luck with the bus falling down a cliff while the car bomb itself did basically nothing.

The fact that the targeted Chinese nationals only sustained minor injuries is evidence of effective countermeasures already put in place by Chinese and Pakistani security services.

A lot of this war is being fought in the shadows where we see the terrorist attack but not the Pakistani and Chinese retaliation. But even that is only against the disposable cannon fodder of the true enemy.

With America busy fleeing Afghanistan, a major source of attacks is now effectively neutralised, which just leaves India.

In that regards, so long as Indian attacks remains ineffective, I think China will take the same approach as it has with the boarder dispute and bide its time to not distract it from its top priority of Taiwan.

However, I am sure China is collecting extensive evidence such that it will have full justification to launch a punitive war against India any time it wants.
 

Overbom

Brigadier
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Pakistan has, has had, and will have, serious issues of political violence and instability. I’m sure the Chinese leadership is fully aware of this fact and its ramifications.
Yes it does and Chinese leadership is also aware of it.

What Pakistan also have, is weak and soft leaders when dealing with terrorism. I remember that in the past (before 2010?), Pakistan had dealt with the terrorists but after that they got soft and they are now letting terrorism and extremism to run amok

@plawolf I agree that this is what the enemy is looking for. But that doesn't mean that China can forever paper over Pakistani failures on its intelligence apparatus. What are the Chinese leaders going to say to the domestic audience if Chinese keep getting killed in Pakistan?

Yes the CPC can cover a lot of things for strategic goals but Pakistan doesn't exactly inspire confidence if it cant deal with internal security issues.

Today is a car, tommorow is a coal station or a dam, or a railway or mass killings. CPEC clearly cant go on like that if sabotage starts seriously happening.

Hopefully after the Americans withdraw, Pakistan will set up a buffer zone on the Afghan side of its border and finally start clearing out these terrorists
 

BoraTas

Major
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Pentagon Poised To Unveil, Demonstrate Classified Space Weapon

By THERESA HITCHENS | Breaking Defense on August 20, 2021

The system in question long has been cloaked in the blackest of black secrecy veils — developed as a so-called Special Access Program known only to a very few, very senior US government leaders. While exactly what capability could be unveiled is unclear, insiders say the reveal is likely to include a real-world demonstration of an active defense capability to degrade or destroy a target satellite and/or spacecraft.

Expert speculation on what could be used for the demonstration ranges from a terrestrially-based mobile laser used for blinding adversary reconnaissance sats to on-board, proximity triggered radio-frequency jammers on certain military satellites, to a high-powered microwave system that can zap electronics carried on maneuverable bodyguard satellites. However, experts and former officials interviewed by Breaking Defense say it probably does not involve a ground-based kinetic interceptor, a capability the US already demonstrated in the 2008 Burnt Frost satellite shoot-down.

Many military space leaders believe that Space Force and Space Command must publicly demonstrate to Moscow and Beijing not just an ability to take out any space-based counterspace systems they may be developing or deploying, but also to attack the satellites they, like the US, rely upon for communications, positioning, navigation and timing (PNT), and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR).

Notably, the second-in-command of the Space Force recently foreshadowed movement in the long-running debate about declassification of all things related to national security space — a multifaceted and complex debate which has pitted advocates against upholders of the traditional culture of secrecy within DoD and the Intelligence Community.

For years, Gen. John Hyten, the vice chairman of the joint chiefs of staf, has argued that it is impossible to deter adversaries with invisible weapons, and he has taken the lead in calling for space systems to be declassified at a more rapid pace than some traditionalists find comfortable.

“In space, we over-classify everything,” Hyten told the National Security Space Association (NSSA) on Jan. 22. “Deterrence does not happen in the classified world. Deterrence does not happen in the black; deterrence happens in the white.”

Further, Hyten, Chief of Space Operations Gen. Jay Raymond, and Space Command Commander Gen. Jim Dickinson all have asserted that OFFENSIVE SPACE WEAPONS are a necessary part of that deterrent.

“We need to take a very hard look at what capabilities we keep concealed, as in our, quote, ‘ace-in-the-hole’ capabilities, if you will, that we would only use in an actual conflict to ensure we maintain the military overmatch we would need to ensure victory, without allowing the enemy to devise ways to defeat that particular capability by having advance knowledge of it,” Matt Donovan, undersecretary of the Air Force under the Trump administration, said in a July 10 Mitchell Institute podcast.

“But what we would really like to do … is prevent that conflict from happening in the first place, by convincing the enemy that they cannot win in a conflict, that the costs of entering into a conflict would be so high to them they don’t start it to begin with; that is the essence of deterrence,” said Donovan, who now heads Mitchell’s Spacepower Advantage Research Center. “So, the problem with only having ‘ace-in-the-hole’ capabilities is they do nothing for deterrence.”

There are also a number of experts who believe that whatever decisions are made, the march of technology guarantees there soon will be no possible way to keep US satellites, or actions on the ground, secret.

Choosing what tools to use when, however, is where agreement breaks down.

This is particularly true with regard to China, which up to now has not had as great a military reliance on space as the US — and more importantly does not have a strategic view shaped by Cold War superpower nuclear deterrence theory (i.e. “mutually assured destruction.”) Following Beijing’s 2007 anti-satellite (ASAT) test, there have been oodles of studies inside and outside DoD specifically on deterring China in space, many of which come to the same conclusion, if not always the same solutions: it’s hard.


The response of an offensive ASAT to a Chinese ASAT is not going to make them stop doing it,” one former government official said. “If you want to demonstrate a response, demonstrate … an unexpected maneuver or a LEO satellite that they had never seen before. But the fact that the response was, ‘well, I can shoot down satellites too,’ that doesn’t do shit about stopping them from shooting mine down.”

And even today, one concerned insider said, “A lot of the DoD work on space control ‘strategic messaging’ isn’t backed up by any real strategy, or red-teaming.”

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Folks, what do you think of this rather bizarre piece? Is it something quite real, or just some kind of psywar?

Now I realize why I felt rather bizarre when I read this piece at first, after some time I remembered about the article written by Byron King in July 2021 that I posted earlier. If these two articles be read together, it looks like this article is a response to the King's one talking about the US vulnerability with all the wartime communications esp. the sats.... and in both Gen. John Hyten, is the central figure.

Another thing is like some establishment may worry China will take real actions over Taiwan. Thus they want to intimidate PLA by hinting that they have some new "assassin mace" in pocket, or in space precisely :p

Well, I leave it to more experienced members in this field to interpret this latest article :)
Probably a real thing. The US has been working on high-power lasers since the 1980s for taking out distant high-flying objects. I believe they will demonstrate an aircraft or satellite with a high-power laser. Another alternative is a satellite that can physically intercept other maneuvering satellites.
Suicide bombing against Chinese nationals in Pakistan!

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At least they are ok. Rest in Peace for the 2 children killed.

Pakistan keeps dropping the ball. If it cannot provide security how does it expect further development and CPEC to proceed smoothly?

Pakistani police, intelligence, and armed services are obviously not on par. Not inspiring confidence on their capabilities if every month, terrorist attacks keep happening.

China should reexamine CPEC if Pakistan doesn't start taking the matter seriously. The current Pakistani Administration is too soft with these terrorists. No country can accept having its citizens getting targeted every month
Yes. Terrorism can be eliminated as long as it isn't supported by the locals. That is the responsibility of Pakistan. But it is also clear that somebody is trying to stop CPEC through terrorism. I can think of a certain self-proclaimed supapowa. China should investigate the case as seriously as Pakistan too. If India is deliberately killing Chinese civilians then it should be gloves off.
 

james smith esq

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Yes it does and Chinese leadership is also aware of it.

What Pakistan also have, is weak and soft leaders when dealing with terrorism. I remember that in the past (before 2010?), Pakistan had dealt with the terrorists but after that they got soft and they are now letting terrorism and extremism to run amok

@plawolf I agree that this is what the enemy is looking for. But that doesn't mean that China can forever paper over Pakistani failures on its intelligence apparatus. What are the Chinese leaders going to say to the domestic audience if Chinese keep getting killed in Pakistan?

Yes the CPC can cover a lot of things for strategic goals but Pakistan doesn't exactly inspire confidence if it cant deal with internal security issues.

Today is a car, tommorow is a coal station or a dam, or a railway or mass killings. CPEC clearly cant go on like that if sabotage starts seriously happening.

Hopefully after the Americans withdraw, Pakistan will set up a buffer zone on the Afghan side of its border and finally start clearing out these terrorists
The Balochistan issue is an internal Pakistani issue and has been for a long-time. If I’m not mistaken, Pakistan has used Balochi terrorists against Iran and vice-versa.
 

AssassinsMace

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Remember when Libya went to hell and Westerners were trying to flee? China chartered a couple of cruise ships to get its people out and allowed Westerners to jump on board?

I wanted to further comment on this but couldn't earlier.

The US has the gall to ask China to take in Afghan refugees because it's hiding behind this as a humanitarian issue. It's just like when they slap sanctions against China. The US isn't slapping sanctions on China. It's the human rights god demanding sanctions against China. The US and others that slap sanctions are just the messenger and shouldn't be the target of China's retaliation since it's not their fault. But here Germany had to exchange the use of their airbase for Afghan refugees in exchange for the US flying Germans out of Afghanistan on their aircraft. China let Europeans onto ships China chartered to get their people out of Libya in chaos without any negotiation needed.
 

Maula Jatt

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The Balochistan issue is an internal Pakistani issue and has been for a long-time. If I’m not mistaken, Pakistan has used Balochi terrorists against Iran and vice-versa.
None of that vica versa happened because both are fighting the same enemy, even same groups, and almost the same level of insurgency

There were 2 issues - Afghanistan like vast terrain with no population - making it easier for these groups to escape into each other territory when followed with troop patrol

- each accused each other of not doing enough
- Accusations of India using it's projects in Iran to fund these groups, provide intelligence, while getting trained in Afghanistan

No one blamed each other for actively helping proxies to purposely harm the other side

No one's not stupid enough to fund a common insurgency with a common goal and doing almost the same damage on both sides

It's like Turkey funding Kurd seperatists in Iraq

It just doesn't work that way...
 
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