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tamsen_ikard

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Mmmeeeto said:
It's just better to have it in your back pocket, maybe they're interested in reverse engineering? Iran has done that before with chinese missiles.
The current Iranian arsenal of Anti-Ship missiles is quite primitive.
Subsonic ASCM and Supersonic Terminal ASBM just won't cut it.

They seriously should've gone for the YJ-21E, it's much better overall, assuming that it's offered to Iran for export, and that Iran would have the ability to acquire targeting data for CSG.

Either way, in the same Reuters article it was said that Iran is in discussions with China to "acquire Chinese surface‑to‑air missile systems, so-called MANPADS, anti‑ballistic weapons, and anti-satellite weapons" and potentially a wider array of Anti ship weaponry. So maybe this is just one part of the deal.
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Too late to get any if these things now. They can only get these after they survive the current war intact.

I am not sure China is willing to sell their most cutting edge missiles to anyone including the likes of pakistan.

Times have changed, in the past China was catching up to western tech and was willing to sell anything. Now they are leading when it comes to missiles, they should not sell their cutting edge tech and risk reverse engineering and espionage.

Even if China sells anything to Iran, a big if, it will be very low tech stuff. YJ-12 can now be considered low tech compared to the new missiles china has.
 
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ForcedTrend

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Mmmeeeto said:
Iran won't attack energy infrastructure in the Gulf as not to severely damage their relationship with Gulf countries. CM-302 isn't optimal for targeting cargo shipping since its expensive and Iranian subsonic ASCM can do the job just fine.

The only plausible use here is against close proximity US bases in , since the YJ-12 does have a land attack variant/mode AFAIK.
It would actually be very effective for that use case.
Since the YJ-12s trajectory makes it very easy to miss for AD
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they should, if the Gulf countries allow their airspace to be used by the attackers
the best scenario for iran is to make oil prices skyrocket
 
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Mmmeeeto

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tamsen_ikard said:
Too late to get any if these things now. They can only get these after they survive the current war intact.

I am not sure China is willing to sell their most cutting edge missiles to anyone including the likes of pakistan.

Times have changed, in the past China was catching up to western tech and was willing to sell anything. Now they are leading when it comes to missiles, they should not sell their cutting edge tech and risk reverse engineering and espionage.

Even if China sells anything to Iran, a big if, it will be very low tech stuff. YJ-12 can now be considered low tech compared to the new missiles china has.
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I mentioned the YJ-21E because it was actually offered for export. Ofcourse China won't sell YJ-19/CJ-1K/DF-17 etc.

I doubt that Iran would collapse if a war happens. People were saying Iran would collapse during the 12 day war and it wasn't even close.

Also I don't understand the special status people in this forum think Pakistan has. I don't think it's true. China is willing to sell all its export products to any friendly country. It's just that most countries would rather buy Western weapons because :

A. They want to purchase diplomatic leverage, not military capability.
B. They view China as an adversary or an unfriendly country.
 
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ForcedTrend said:
they should, if the Gulf countries allow their airspace to be used by the attackers
the best scenario for iran is to make oil prices skyrocket
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Following Israel's backstabbing bombing of Qatar, relations between Iran and the Gulf states have actually stabilized a lot, with both sides tacitly beginning to marginalize pro-Israel forces in the region.

A large-scale conflict between Iran and the Gulf states, especially Saudi Arabia, would only benefit Israel and the United States.
 
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magmunta

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ForcedTrend said:
they should, if the Gulf countries allow their airspace to be used by the attackers
the best scenario for iran is to make oil prices skyrocket
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Iran is all the bark no bite. There are 10s of aircraft at the bases being readied to strike iran. What are they waiting to do? until they get bombed by these exact aircrafts? what type of stupid political games do they play? Iran needs to strike first to minimize potential, inevitable losses in the future when the USA and Israel strike Iran. Dont get me wrong, I am rooting for the USA; but to be methematical, Iran needs to strike first. It would be better for Iranians if they put math forward instead of ideology and political posturing. But to ask islamist clergy and Ayatola to be mathematical in warfare is kinda weird because if they ever pay attention to math, logic and reasoning, they wouldnt be believers in Islam in the first place. Good luck to the USA and all the freedom loving iranians.
 
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pmc

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ForcedTrend said:
they should, if the Gulf countries allow their airspace to be used by the attackers
the best scenario for iran is to make oil prices skyrocket
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High oil prices will accelerate decline of Europe/Asia and US markets will become even more important. and It does not much impact Gulf Monarchies. that easy extraction and alternative energy sources for electric.
now technology has advanced and size of oil industry such that Gulf royals can import trained workers from other places for fast restoration.

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While Kuwait's oil wells suffered extensive damage from sabotage by retreating Iraqi forces, the country emerged from the war free of both internal discord and external interference with its recovery efforts, which began immediately following the withdrawal of Iraqi forces. That created a favorable environment for a recovery of production. Despite the significant field damage, average annual Kuwaiti oil production exceeded pre-disruption levels in less than four years. In contrast, Iraq, which has at various times over the past 20 years faced external sanctions, war, and internal strife, has not seen its production fully recover. In 2010, Iraq's production averaged 2.4 MMbbl/d, compared with 3.5 MMbbl/d, the pre-disruption 1990 monthly peak.
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