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Sorry if this is too outside the scope of news posted here, but I did a huge eyebrow raise after seeing this in my news feed today. For anyone like me who got fleeced during the first borefest of a fight between them (or any Mayweather fight tbh), I recommend to everyone here, DO NOT BUY INTO THE HYPE. You will get fleeced if you pay the likely overpriced PPV for this and you WILL regret it! These two senior citizens took it easy the first time since they didn’t want to get hurt. Imagine 11 years later!
I’ll watch it if they put ankle monitors on Floyd Mayweather to prevent excess running.
 

Mmmeeeto

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290km? That mostly covers the Strait of Hormuz where no US ships was going there in the first place. This feels more like an Israeli disinformation campaign designed to pressure Trump to stop delaying the war with Iran immediately. Combined with the supposed Russian missile deal article from an couple days ago.
Some weapons aren't meant to be destroy the enemy. But to disrupt their planning or logistics. Maybe make them think twice. This is part of the broader A2AD strategy.

If Iran acquires the CM-302, which is supersonic on attack. It would actually be the most lethal Anti Ship weapon in their arsenal, since all Iranian ASCM are subsonic. Although they do have short (300km~) range ASBM. But they're not impressive and supersonic terminal. CM-302 is also likely much more resistant to jamming, which is important against the USN which would utilize EW to its fullest.

So yes, CM-302 would be a very significant upgrade to Iran's arsenal, even if it's chances of sinking a carrier are slim
 

bsdnf

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I don't think the YJ-12 would be of much help, even if it arrived immediately.

The PLA has historically relied on the H-6K to extend its range and planned to launch large-scale salvoes against CSG, which is not feasible for the Iranians. Its land-based launch poses little threat to CSG, range just not enough

For the Iranians, the most valuable use case is reverse engineering to increase range at the cost of a reduced warhead, and then mounting it on missile boats similar to the Type 022.
 
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FriedButter

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If Iran acquires the CM-302, which is supersonic on attack. It would actually be the most lethal Anti Ship weapon in their arsenal, since all Iranian ASCM are subsonic. Although they do have short (300km~) range ASBM. But they're not impressive and supersonic terminal. CM-302 is also likely much more resistant to jamming, which is important against the USN which would utilize EW to its fullest.

So yes, CM-302 would be a very significant upgrade to Iran's arsenal, even if it's chances of sinking a carrier are slim

We are assuming it would be used against a ship despite the short range. It isn’t entirely impossible they wouldn’t lob it at heavily defended energy infrastructure or local US bases in the area. Or act as another alternative to blockading the straits of Hormuz.
 

Mmmeeeto

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I don't think the YJ-12 would be of much help, even if it arrived immediately.

In the past, the PLA primarily used the H-6K to extend its range; its land-based launch wouldn't pose much of a threat to carrier battle groups.
It's just better to have it in your back pocket, maybe they're interested in reverse engineering? Iran has done that before with chinese missiles.
The current Iranian arsenal of Anti-Ship missiles is quite primitive.
Subsonic ASCM and Supersonic Terminal ASBM just won't cut it.

They seriously should've gone for the YJ-21E, it's much better overall, assuming that it's offered to Iran for export, and that Iran would have the ability to acquire targeting data for CSG.

Either way, in the same Reuters article it was said that Iran is in discussions with China to "acquire Chinese surface‑to‑air missile systems, so-called MANPADS, anti‑ballistic weapons, and anti-satellite weapons" and potentially a wider array of Anti ship weaponry. So maybe this is just one part of the deal.
 

Mmmeeeto

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We are assuming it would be used against a ship despite the short range. It isn’t entirely impossible they wouldn’t lob it at heavily defended energy infrastructure or local US bases in the area. Or act as another alternative to blockading the straits of Hormuz.
Iran won't attack energy infrastructure in the Gulf as not to severely damage their relationship with Gulf countries. CM-302 isn't optimal for targeting cargo shipping since its expensive and Iranian subsonic ASCM can do the job just fine.

The only plausible use here is against close proximity US bases in , since the YJ-12 does have a land attack variant/mode AFAIK.
It would actually be very effective for that use case.
Since the YJ-12s trajectory makes it very easy to miss for AD
 
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