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A potato

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If China tfr is truly 1.7 then Chinese Government will never need to call for birthrate policy lol. Nobody in this economy and especially China want to have children.
I mean it's envitable for the birth rate the fall when a country becomes developed so there is not solution other than accepting that the population will go down. Europe and especially the US aren't any better, if anything their worse because they have a smaller population. Trying to increase the birthrate wouldn't change anything significant so the CCP best course of action is to just adapt.
 

pmc

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In Japan, they complain that around 3% of births are to non-Japanese parents… Wait until they reach the European level of almost 50%…
Again read the link again. It says 3% births to non Japanese couples. It does not say anything about mothers only.
50% non Spanish mothers could be Spanish men importing foreign women and giving births or 50% Spanish women staying single or moving to foreign countries. wasnt there a survey posted here that 44% of American girls want to move abroad. Spain could be in similar situation.
 

A potato

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Thanks for this. That is a fun read, and actually just further confirmed what I already knew about those people after conversing with them many times.

It is true that every culture have their own versions of "save face" or forms of nepotism, I mean that is human nature. but the fact is MOST of them are actually even MUCH WORSE than China, and literally contributes to fucking up their whole society before it even begins. I mean the reality speaks for itself.

This is why when Sinophobes and westerners try to be smug talking about China and spamming the words "save face" or "guang xi" as if they are some "Chinese language and cultural experts" describing phenomenon that "only exist in China", that is nothing more than their shameless racism and orientalism showing its true colours. These people would never look themselves in the mirrors, because their "lzzat" will eat them from the inside and they know it. One of the most pathetic bunches of people possible, who only can lie to themselves while crying behind their mask of smugness when going back to their dumpster of a reality, especially after their high from internet coping wears off.
However most of the "Chinese culture" that those people refer too is the Haipai aka westernized garbage that originated from the 1920s and is "Chinese culture" that the diaspora practice. That culture has pretty much nothing to do ancient traditonal Chinese culture which is ironic when Cantonese people constantly say their languages is the last link to Middle Chinese and that Mandarin is a Mongolian/Manchurian language (No it isn't, Cantonese only preserved the sound while Mandarian preserved the grammer and is a pure han language with no Mongol/Manchu influence). The regions that stayed true to ancient Chinese culture are Henan, Shanxi, Shaanxi aka the cultural heartland.
 

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BasilicaLew

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I mean it's envitable for the birth rate the fall when a country becomes developed so there is not solution other than accepting that the population will go down. Europe and especially the US aren't any better, if anything their worse because they have a smaller population. Trying to increase the birthrate wouldn't change anything significant so the CCP best course of action is to just adapt.
Give more straight up rewards for having kids. Like if you have 4 kids for a certain sized house, the mortgage is forgiven. And more kids = bigger house.
 

A potato

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Give more straight up rewards for having kids. Like if you have 4 kids for a certain sized house, the mortgage is forgiven. And more kids = bigger house.
There is so much houses that the CCP can give and the amount of construction as well as mortgage forgivement would be so expensive for marginal increases.
 

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China's fertility incentive policies remain in their early stages, and one should not expect a rebound in the fertility rate within the next five years. Maintaining a rate of 1.0 is already a struggle. In the subsequent 5 to 10 years, fertility policies may be able to raise the fertility rate to 1.2.
 

Expert1324

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After reading and diving into the rabbit hole about the current fate of the "Zheng He's Navigation Map", "YongLe Encyclopedia" and countless of other extremely significant Chinese historical artefacts, classics and relics, that is now scattered across the world (particularly in the Eight nation alliance nations i.e. Germany, Japan, Russia, Britain, France, the United States, Italy, and Austria-Hungary), we all know that these were undoubtably gained illegally from the plundering, looting, stealing and arson of China by European + American + Russian + Japanese military powers, but I found out that there is also a significant portion of these artifacts were stolen by "missionaries" of these countries and their respective "Sinologists".

Which really got me thinking: these imperialist countries were really evil to the core, like why would they even have "Sinologist" in the first place? that might seem like such a randomly specific subject to have, but it most definitely was not. That subject is in fact a very calculated and intentional one that is designed with very sinister motives. The whole purpose of a "Sinologist" was to understand more about Chinese culture, so they can know how to better destroy it, to "Christianize" it, to Westernize it, to revision it, or even to publish their own "interpretations" of it to spread the earliest form of Sinophobic and Orientalist propaganda. They go into the very fabrics of Chinese culture, so they know how to better start brainwashing and colonizing the minds of Chinese people, while also aiding the physical colonization. That was the original intention. This is especially so during the industrial revolution of these nations while also coupled with the fall of Qing, they looked at China with pure greed and condescension.

Even for "Chinoiserie", it might first be created out of appreciation and respect of such an exotically unattainable, sophisticated and high culture of China, but with the later shift in global power dynamics, this is later undoubtedly started to root in exploitation, colonization, cultural appropriation and an ingrained sense of degradation.

This is why for "Sinologist" of any era, even if some of them say they are "interested in Chinese culture and love China", which some of them might genuinely do, it is always to see it with an additional (and much needed) suspicion especially beyond the surface pleasantries. Because you may never know what their true intentions and motives are, and in many cases, it is not in a sincere and friendly way to say the least.

P.s. other imperial powers might be difficult, but since Japan eventually lost the war, I am surprised that ordering them to return all the artifacts they looted from China wasn't one of the conditions. Also speaking of Japan, they have tons of their agents studied Chinese culture and language extensively so that they can have spies entrenched deep into Chinese society many decades before the invasion of China. Don't underestimate the lengths some will go to just to achieve their evil objectives.
 
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