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MSM garbage journalists are in trouble.

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Doesn't necessarily mean it's not true. I would bet money ASML spies on China for the US and all their equipment can be remotely sabotaged, and likely even irreparably so. If there is no hard kill option like what Israel and the US did to Iran's centrifuges years ago via firmware destroying the hardware as a whole, then perhaps a soft kill option via firmware simply deleting itself, or even more insidious, resulting in manipulated or untrustworthy data.
 
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tokenanalyst

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Doesn't necessarily mean it's not true. I would bet money ASML spies on China for the US and all their equipment can be remotely sabotaged, and likely even irreparably so.
I did a post in the semiconductor thread about the topic saying the same thing.

I trust Western journalists as much as I trust a full grown hungry Nile crocodile with a human baby, but this is disgusting IF real.

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This also highlight the biggest issue that the Chinese government had with China commercial fabs like SMIC, HLMC and HHGrace.
even if those fabs were successful, there where so dependent on foreign input that in any geopolitical crisis the Chinese government knew they will be useless and there is another problem, foreign companies and workers there were constantly monitoring these fabs and foreign machines have telemetry services to monitor their performance. So there was a pretty serious case for espionage.

The Chinese government knew this since the mid 2000s, especially the export control part. Different from Russia, China consume semiconductors at such high volume that would be impossible to smuggle such amount of chips just to keep the basics working.

Again, my guess is that they devised a plan in `2012 to have a vast network of a purely domestic semiconductor-electronic supply chain and a network of fabs all across China by ~2030 to serve SOEs, domestic infrastructure, the space program and the military purely with domestic chips. Raging from discrete devices to 32nm ICs. First, this fabs would be immune to spying and second, even if there is a geopolitical crisis, even if SMIC, HMLC and others are shutdown, China will still have the ability produce chips and use this supply chain as blueprint to expand the domestic semiconductor from the ground up.



Jason Huang is right, the Chinese government doesn't want their institutions and much much less the Chinese military to be dependant of US made chips, not even Chinese Chips made in SMIC with US machines because the risk of supply chain disruptions. Different from what stooges said, I do think that China always wanted to separate SMIC and others from the PLA.
 

pevade

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Too bad they banned Huawei. I'm not even saying these same people would ditch Apple for Huawei, but with no actual competitor with competence to nip at their heels, Apple can rest on its laurels and charge these ridiculous amounts today with almost zero new innovations. Before you mention Samsung, you think a company from a vassal state like Occupied Korea is allowed to actually release better features at a price point that hurts home grown Apple without getting metaphorically smacked on the nose like a naughty dog? Keep dreaming. Also, yes I know near hyper-inflationary monetary policy is making one US dollar get closer and closer to being used as toilet paper every single day which is a factor as well.
That, and the fact that you are better off buying (CURRENT_YEAR - 1) flagship phones (especially androids) which depreciate rapidly in value when the new version is released.
 

CMP

Captain
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With the whole Twitter location being exposed I really do wonder how China was able to see the future with great firewall. It was constantly criticized but they turned out to be right.
I would imagine mid and senior leadership have access to internal Chinese government documentation regarding some of the US and West's historical plots and schemes to infiltrate, undermine, or overthrow China and other countries. I would think if anyone sits down and spends hours reading that, you'd look at the world very differently, especially anything coming out of the West or its puppets.
 
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