Miscellaneous News

E

Expert1324

Junior Member
Registered Member
Puss in Boots said:
Many Chinese people have tried to use Western narratives to justify China's occupation of Tibet, which has had a certain effect on public opinion. However, this narrative has actively abandoned China's historical sovereignty over Tibet and even indirectly weakened China's legitimacy in occupying Tibet. This is a very costly act.
Click to expand...
WOW, very well said and absolute facts!!!

I have the same opinions as well!!! Great minds really do think alike, and you are clearly one the smart peoples here who understand nuances and have a strong grasp of logical concepts!

Tibet was full of serfdom, yes, but that have absolutely fking nothing to do with the fact that Tibet is always a part of Chinese civilization and undisputably been under Chinese sovereignty for centuries. Tibetan reincarnation literally need the approval of the Chinese Emperor not only during Qing Dynasty, but previous Dynasties as well and was literally entrenched and ingrained into the whole Tibetan system. "Suzerainty" is a false western concept invented by the British and Russian invaders to impose on the Qing during "the Great Game", this British-Russo alliance at that time was literally to partition and steal Chinese lands particularly in Western China and hence their devious actions and intentions. Qing always reject this made-up bullshit as we always have direct sovereignty over Tibet, not just "Suzerainty". Tibet had always been an inalienable part of China and Chinese Civilization, this is indisputable.

The British at the time illegally invaded the Tibet region of Qing Dynasty, organized an illegitimate non-recognized puppet conference, and stole Chinese lands such as Ladakh. Meanwhile present-day India is still illegally occupying our Chinese South Tibet region, which is absolutely shameful and should be condemned and returned.

People who made any other arguments or raise irrelevant points are either bad-faith Sinophobes trying to purposely detract the conversation from the core fundamental axioms, or really just dumb and ignorant people who have a good intention but are doing more harm than good because they don't have a strong grasp of the history, principles and logics about the topic at hand.
 
Last edited:
G

GiantPanda

Junior Member
Registered Member
jiajia99 said:
In all honesty, I hope China makes a real example to the world about what happens if they try this game on China. This isn’t the same with Germany and Gazprom, this time China should make them suffer and when they do eventually come to the table if ever, the Dutch will not only capitulate, but they will offer an entirely leg for being this stupid
Click to expand...
China would need to bring down ASML and NXP too by denying REs and the Chinese market. The Dutch have already shown they are hostile.
 
C

Chevalier

Captain
Registered Member
FriedButter said:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


The Dutch expects China to backdown and surrender. The US Dutch territories are treating the theft as if it didn’t existed.

“We never discussed it with the US. Therefore the Chinese are in the Wrong.”
Click to expand...
The sheer arrogance and gaslighting, this is like when bullies steal your lunch and pretend it never happened, “you probably ate it yourself”, like the chip company just decided to kill itself. My first instinct is violence but I can appreciate the methodical, deliberate destruction of Dutch and by extension European industry as a response. The Dutch are stereotyped in Europe as being particularly tightarse and autistic, with Chinese destruction of their entire industry, they’ll have a real reason to be so.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1979186370917646708

I’m reminded of the removal of former foreign minister Qin Gang; in the current context of the Cold War between China and the Atlanticist Anglo led west, China can ill afford any of its leaders to be compromised.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1979284392288956714

The issue isn’t so much that the U.S. has taken on Chinese practices and characteristics, it’s that it apes the appearances of chinese policies but is unable to shed its rentier predatory financier model, so the real effect is to resemble nazi germany as a command economy as opposed to Chinas mixed communist market economy of national champions.
 
vincent

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Chevalier said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1979284392288956714

The issue isn’t so much that the U.S. has taken on Chinese practices and characteristics, it’s that it apes the appearances of chinese policies but is unable to shed its rentier predatory financier model, so the real effect is to resemble nazi germany as a command economy as opposed to Chinas mixed communist market economy of national champions.
Click to expand...

西学为体，中学为用
Didn’t work out so well for the Qing Dynasty.
 
I

iewgnem

Senior Member
Registered Member
Chevalier said:
The sheer arrogance and gaslighting, this is like when bullies steal your lunch and pretend it never happened, “you probably ate it yourself”, like the chip company just decided to kill itself. My first instinct is violence but I can appreciate the methodical, deliberate destruction of Dutch and by extension European industry as a response. The Dutch are stereotyped in Europe as being particularly tightarse and autistic, with Chinese destruction of their entire industry, they’ll have a real reason to be so.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1979186370917646708

I’m reminded of the removal of former foreign minister Qin Gang; in the current context of the Cold War between China and the Atlanticist Anglo led west, China can ill afford any of its leaders to be compromised.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1979284392288956714

The issue isn’t so much that the U.S. has taken on Chinese practices and characteristics, it’s that it apes the appearances of chinese policies but is unable to shed its rentier predatory financier model, so the real effect is to resemble nazi germany as a command economy as opposed to Chinas mixed communist market economy of national champions.
Click to expand...
Western culture fundementally dating back to Noah does not have any room for meritocracy, while Chinese culture since Da Yu mythology has been based on meritocracy. Multiple millennia of meritocratic tradition isn't something western culture can ever hope to imitate.

The limit of western understanding of Chinese policy is "industrial policy", they have no comprehension of the need to actually have a correct policy, how to decide who gets to make the policy, or the process to find and train those who decide policy.

Active control is only better than passive YOLO if the person doing active control knows what they're doing.
 
E

Expert1324

Junior Member
Registered Member
FairAndUnbiased said:
At least Russia is minimizing killing civilians. Only a % of military casualties.
Click to expand...
DO NOT blindly defend Russian actions in Ukraine!!! Unless you are a client of Russia, there is zero reason or excuse to be clients to anyone.

Russia is invading a sovereign nation that is internationally recognized (including Russia itself)!!! Whether this invasion is justified or not due to NATO expansionism is completely a different conversation! I reiterate, Russian is invading an internationally recognized sovereign nation, this is NOT a civil conflict situation like the PRC and ROC within China, or the Ukrainian government against Donbass region of Ukraine. This at the end of the day is a plain and naked aggression imposed on a foreign country, so this is not some action that can be actively and casually be supported!

Also, we do not have any reliable information on civilian casualties on both sides due to extensive propaganda and muddied information from everywhere. So, your statement is completely unfounded and lacked basis.

As I said before, settler-colonialism and the BS narrative of "protecting Russian speakers that we ourselves pushed to settle in X region" had always been the typical Russian playbook for invasion of foreign lands, and had in fact been used to invade large amounts of Chinese lands historically. All in all, this is a very complex issue. On one hand we strongly oppose and hate NATO expansionism and aggression, on the other hand, I also cannot in good conscience fully support or condone Russian's typical invasion playbook and BS for expansionism.

This is also not only about good conscience, but also about that fact that a support towards such a war-mongering logic, whims of conquest and blatant Russian expansionism, it inevitably threatens the very fabrics of nationhood, which also directly and indirectly harms our own legitimacy as a peaceful and lawful nation upholding our own sovereignty!!! This is not the pile of shit I will casually walk into without a precise and rational navigation! (Especially not for a country that we still need to 算账 in the future)
 
G

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
You don't know what you are talking about.
Ukraine only had tiny blips of actual independence over the last several hundred years. And they do share a cultural matrix with Russia.

Your argument that Ukraine legitimately owned Crimea is also tenuous. Crimea was an autonomous region and they voted for their independence when the Soviet Union collapsed. This was supressed by the central Ukrainian government. The Russian Empire conquered Crimea from the Ottoman Turks in the first place, and back then the population was mostly Tatars. Ukraine had nothing to do with it. Zero.

Ukraine also forefeited any right to peaceful co-existence with Russia when they tore down the neutrality clauses in their constitution.
 
Last edited:
I

iewgnem

Senior Member
Registered Member
FriedButter said:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


The Dutch expects China to backdown and surrender. The US Dutch territories are treating the theft as if it didn’t existed.

“We never discussed it with the US. Therefore the Chinese are in the Wrong.”
Click to expand...
According to Karremans, Beijing wrongly assumes that the Netherlands acted under American pressure. The United States has long had its sights set on Nexperia's Chinese parent company. American tech companies are no longer permitted to simply supply components or software to it.

"Well, I haven't spoken to a single American about it since I became Minister of Economic Affairs," said Karremans. "So none of that is true." He reiterated that the Cabinet decided to intervene in Nexperia "without any mandate or consultation" with other countries.
Click to expand...
The Dutch are certainly very loyal to worry China might punish America instead of them
But I don't think they have to worry, since they have taken full responsibility for their actions, China will put all punishment on just the Netherlands.
America will be punished for other crimes.
 
siegecrossbow

siegecrossbow

Field Marshall
Staff member
Super Moderator
Chevalier said:
The sheer arrogance and gaslighting, this is like when bullies steal your lunch and pretend it never happened, “you probably ate it yourself”, like the chip company just decided to kill itself. My first instinct is violence but I can appreciate the methodical, deliberate destruction of Dutch and by extension European industry as a response. The Dutch are stereotyped in Europe as being particularly tightarse and autistic, with Chinese destruction of their entire industry, they’ll have a real reason to be so.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1979186370917646708

I’m reminded of the removal of former foreign minister Qin Gang; in the current context of the Cold War between China and the Atlanticist Anglo led west, China can ill afford any of its leaders to be compromised.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1979284392288956714

The issue isn’t so much that the U.S. has taken on Chinese practices and characteristics, it’s that it apes the appearances of chinese policies but is unable to shed its rentier predatory financier model, so the real effect is to resemble nazi germany as a command economy as opposed to Chinas mixed communist market economy of national champions.
Click to expand...
Time for China to start putting laxatives in the “lunches”.
 
I

iewgnem

Senior Member
Registered Member
Expert1324 said:
DO NOT blindly defend Russian actions in Ukraine!!! Unless you are a client of Russia, there is zero reason or excuse to be clients to anyone.

Russia is invading a sovereign nation that is internationally recognized (including Russia itself)!!! Whether this invasion is justified or not due to NATO expansionism is completely a different conversation! I reiterate, Russian is invading an internationally recognized sovereign nation, this is NOT a civil conflict situation like the PRC and ROC within China, or the Ukrainian government against Donbass region of Ukraine. This at the end of the day is a plain and naked aggression imposed on a foreign country, so this is not some action that can be actively and casually be supported!

Also, we do not have any reliable information on civilian casualties on both sides due to extensive propaganda and muddied information from everywhere. So, your statement is completely unfounded and lacked basis.

As I said before, settler-colonialism and the BS narrative of "protecting Russian speakers that we ourselves pushed to settle in X region" had always been the typical Russian playbook for invasion of foreign lands, and had in fact been used to invade large amounts of Chinese lands historically. All in all, this is a very complex issue. On one hand we strongly oppose and hate NATO expansionism and aggression, on the other hand, I also cannot in good conscience fully support or condone Russian's typical invasion playbook and BS for expansionism.

This is also not only about good conscience, but also about that fact that a support towards such a war-mongering logic, whims of conquest and blatant Russian expansionism, it inevitably threatens the very fabrics of nationhood, which also directly and indirectly harms our own legitimacy as a peaceful and lawful nation upholding our own sovereignty!!! This is not the pile of shit I will casually walk into without a precise and rational navigation! (Especially not for a country that we still need to 算账 in the future)
Click to expand...
You misunderstand, Ukraine ceased to be a sovereign nation after NATO coup and occupation in 2014, Russia is simply trying to free Ukraine from NATO occupation so they can return to being a sovereign independent country. i.e. the "Denazificiation" part of their explicitly stated goal.

Oh and since everyone agrees on the need to undo Soviet borders, everyone also agree Ukraine's borders should return to that of before the Soviet Union.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top