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taxiya

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Expert1324 said:
You are right, I meant to say that China never conquered Mongols (not Mongolia), but they are the ones who conquered Han and self-identified as Chinese.
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Not really, Ming dynasty did rule a vast Mongol population in today's Inner Mongolia, NE China, NW China and Qinghai. You can check out who makes up the majority of Ming's cavalry units. Also the many garrisons of Ming in the frontier are Mongols (关西七卫, 朵颜三卫). What Ming did not rule is Mongols in outer Mongolia. Qing dynasty totally conquered Mongols (Inner, Outer and West (Oriat)). Unless one doesn't count Qing as China.
 
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burritocannon

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supercat said:
It's probably too litter too late for the US regime. Here is what Paul Krugman wrote. Krugman was the sole winner of the Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences in 2008. For those who has no patience to read, you can just watch Electric Viking's video clip.
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think about it though if all the projections were that in the long term the us is going to get overtaken no matter what by just the tyranny of numbers, then what's the play? it's gotta be an all-in use-it-or-lose it situation right?
there's still plenty of petroleum to last a while. the electric stack has not fully matured yet. this is one last window to go all out with the petroleum stack.

so i think it is in fact plausible, not irrational, strategy to temporarily reverse policies in order to mount a breakout offensive. in this scenario, the vision is that the loss of leadership in the short term won't matter, because there will be no china after an american victory.
-electric stack will fall into us hands after a chinese loss
-rare earths will fall into us hands after a chinese loss
-r&d will return to the us after a chinese loss
this is a scenario where, perhaps in truly american fashion, little timmy interjects, "well why doesnt the rabbit simply pull out a gun and shoot the tortoise for having overtaken him?"
 
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burritocannon said:
think about it though if all the projections were that in the long term the us is going to get overtaken no matter what by just the tyranny of numbers, then what's the play? it's gotta be an all-in use-it-or-lose it situation right?
there's still plenty of petroleum to last a while. the electric stack has not fully matured yet. this is one last window to go all out with the petroleum stack.

so i think it is in fact plausible, not irrational, strategy to temporarily reverse policies in order to mount a breakout offensive. in this scenario, the vision is that the loss of leadership in the short term won't matter, because there will be no china after an american victory.
-electric stack will fall into us hands after a chinese loss
-rare earths will fall into us hands after a chinese loss
-r&d will return to the us after a chinese loss
this is a scenario where, perhaps in truly american fashion, little timmy interjects, "well why doesnt the rabbit simply pull out a gun and shoot the tortoise for having overtaken him?"
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Are you stupid?
 
burritocannon

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maybe. i'm not claiming it to be a sound plan, or a good guess, i'm just trying to connect dots with some semblance of coherency. my main bet after all is still on the trump administration fumbling around until it's too late and they throw their hands in the air say "welp!"
 
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A potato said:
If you think current western copium is bad remember that western media said Yao Ming was a Chinese experiment.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2m7f9u/_/cm1li12 This is an Ask me Anyhting thread by Yao Ming where he said it himself that it was bullshit.
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I've read that the westoid idiots have said the Chinese Olympians were also genetic lab experiments come-to-fruition with no real human life(dehumanizing and insulting isn't it?) and any /all huge strides in technology were the result of the Chinese capturing and torturing space aliens from the moon for technology advances-WTF am I reading?
 
Randomuser

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Expert1324 said:
WOW, very well said and absolute facts!!!

I have the same opinions as well!!! Great minds really do think alike, and you are clearly one the smart peoples here who understand nuances and have a strong grasp of logical concepts!

Tibet was full of serfdom, yes, but that have absolutely fking nothing to do with the fact that Tibet is always a part of Chinese civilization and undisputably been under Chinese sovereignty for centuries. Tibetan reincarnation literally need the approval of the Chinese Emperor not only during Qing Dynasty, but previous Dynasties as well and was literally entrenched and ingrained into the whole Tibetan system. "Suzerainty" is a false western concept invented by the British and Russian invaders to impose on the Qing during "the Great Game", this British-Russo alliance at that time was literally to partition and steal Chinese lands particularly in Western China and hence their devious actions and intentions. Qing always reject this made-up bullshit as we always have direct sovereignty over Tibet, not just "Suzerainty". Tibet had always been an inalienable part of China and Chinese Civilization, this is indisputable.

The British at the time illegally invaded the Tibet region of Qing Dynasty, organized an illegitimate non-recognized puppet conference, and stole Chinese lands such as Ladakh. Meanwhile present-day India is still illegally occupying our Chinese South Tibet region, which is absolutely shameful and should be condemned and returned.

People who made any other arguments or raise irrelevant points are either bad-faith Sinophobes trying to purposely detract the conversation from the core fundamental axioms, or really just dumb and ignorant people who have a good intention but are doing more harm than good because they don't have a strong grasp of the history, principles and logics about the topic at hand.
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I said this earlier. "Independent" Tibet is really just a British vassal state. The previous Dalai Lama had a lot of relation with the Brits such as running away twice to British India when things got tough, used British backing to try and fail to invade china, begged Brits to bail him out etc. How did some mountain area barely enough to survive on its own get an army with guns huh? Good think British backed India is next to it. What a coincidence that Tibet fell very quickly when Brits couldnt support it after WW2.

Next time you hear some Indian dare talk about Tibet, you should remind him of India's role as a British dog in this and technically China hasn't gotten equal with it yet for its sins. It's actually India that has a lot to pay for here.

I'm surprised few know this. It's not hidde secret info. Just search up sino Tibet war or qinghai Tibet war and it's all on Wikipedia.
 
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Randomuser said:
I said this earlier. "Independent" Tibet is really just a British vassal state. The previous Dalai Lama had a lot of relation with the Brits such as running away twice to British India when things got tough, used British backing to try and fail to invade china, begged Brits to bail him out etc. How did some mountain area barely enough to survive on its own get an army with guns huh? Good think British backed India is next to it. What a coincidence that Tibet fell very quickly when Brits couldnt support it after WW2.

Next time you hear some Indian dare talk about Tibet, you should remind him of India's role as a British dog in this and technically China hasn't gotten equal with it yet for its sins. It's actually India that has a lot to pay for here.
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Funnilly enough the Khampas (Tibetan subgroup in Sichuan) that were propagated as freedom fighters had zero loyalty to the Dalai Lama. They're ironically incredibly pro China.
 
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Puss in Boots said:
When others discuss China's history of conquest or colonization, China doesn't gloss over it to claim a moral high ground.
A common Western tactic is to claim that terrible things are happening in the region, and that they simply occupied these territories out of goodwill, seeking to end conflict. Russia's narrative of expansionism reminds me of Japan's sophistry regarding its invasion of China. This is the hypocrisy of these countries.
China's common excuse for territorial expansion is self-defense counterattacks against harassment from other regions along its borders. Of course, we all know that these counterattacks can sometimes be quite severe.
There's a stark difference between these two narratives: one is unwilling to admit expansion for profit, while the other is determined to convince others that it's expansion for profit. This is the difference between a hypocrite and a true villain, and the Chinese hate hypocrites even more.
Many Chinese people have tried to use Western narratives to justify China's occupation of Tibet, which has had a certain effect on public opinion. However, this narrative has actively abandoned China's historical sovereignty over Tibet and even indirectly weakened China's legitimacy in occupying Tibet. This is a very costly act.
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I want to add something onto this.
I got called a white supremacist on Xiaohongshu for saying Qingdao,Shanghai,Tianjin etc would be better cities if just let their colonial heritage die instead of making it their entire identity.
 
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