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Trump is the most pro-China among the Trump administration

Yeah, that is what I was thinking myself a few months ago.

This Trump administration has no China hands, except for one, which is the president himself. He is the only one in his government with extensive working experience with Chinese people.

Same old Donald.

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New China is IUU overfishing innumeracy from DC think tank just dropped. Expect this to get repeated by MSM in coming days and I suppose more US coast guard deployments.

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Last years lol estimate of PRC DWF fleet was 18000... now 32000 kek. It's hilarious to see PRC DWF inflation from 3000 in 2020 to 6000 to 18000 and now 32000 in 5 years. PRC ship building is incredible, but damn /s. PRC wild catch was like 12m in 2020... and 15m in 2024... but somehow catching that extra 3m required DWF to grow from 3000 to 32000. 950% / 29000 new boats to DWF fleet to catch... 25% / 3m tons more fish in 5 years. Truely lie flat behaviour from PRC fishermen.

Quick observation, can clearly see from empty perimeter in the heat map PRC fishing largely stays clear of SKR, JP EEZ. Reason DC thinktank "report" try to play up 12m hours in SKR is likely that hotspot just south of SKR peninsula, aka disputed Socotra rock EEZ. And I surmise majority of JP 1.5m "hours" are over disputed Senkaku EEZ. 4.5m TW hours, obviously PRC considers TW waters part of her territorial/EEZ waters. About another 1m hours from SCS EEZ disputes. AKA 18/21m hours are basically DC think tank doing customary China bad funny stats from disputed maritime delimitations. Incidentally using said delimitations to extrapolate 3000k PRC distant fishing fleet into 30k+ in 5 years... somehow.

PRC has largest absolute DWF fleet size, but per capita she's underfishing, especially relative to TW, SKR, JP, who're at only 30-50% aquaculture vs PRC 70-80%. Spain and Russia also up there. Also fraction of SKR/TW subsidies per capita, about on par with JP. For PRC's DWF fleet to match other top DWF fleet's capita fishing efforts, PRC would have to fish something like 3-9x+ more. Ecuador & Peru, two countries with ~1/30th population of PRC, together captures about about ~1/2 of PRC, who also has 1/2 the EEZ of these countries, which incidentally means PRC has to fish more in international waters.

Again, let's stress how absolutely batshit stupid these new numbers are:

  • SKR, ~500-700 DWF fleet, 300-400k metric tons per year.
  • JP ~1200-1500 DWF fleet, 600-900k metric tons per year.
  • TW ~1000 DWF fleet, 400-600k metric tons per year.
AVG 400-800 tons per ship.

  • PRC... 32000 DWF fleet, 3000k metric tons per year.
AVG 90 tons per ship.

Or... avg 400-800 tons per ship

  • PRC ~3750-7500 DWF fleet.

PRC official report is like ~2700 in ~2020, add 25% for 25% by 2025 increase catch and you get ~3400. It's underestimation (and while PRC wanted to cap to 3000 in last 5 year plan), but it's underestimate by 100s, not over estimation by 10000s. Like tag on highest maritime militia estimates of ~10k, and it's still almost ~20k over.

Or just look at estimates of global seafood market growth... ~5% CAGR, ~+50B over past 5 years. Like 35B of that from PRC aquaculture growth. What's the 29000 new DWF doing? Global DWF size for major fishing nations is like 6000... so PRC adds... 500% that and somehow global fishing market grows by... 30%.

Placing bet estimate of PRC DWF will be 40k next year.
Was this coordinated w Macr0n's recent statement abt fishing?
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Seems like Western media is using this as the latest, China cracking down on free expression narrative.

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For the record, I did bother to do my research on Chinese social media to see what people were actually saying about this. In essence, contrary to the media narrative BL is only banned in China when it comes to portrayal in dramas and movies, when it comes to online literature there's tons of shit floating around and the government has bigger things to worry about than deleting them all. In this case, the writers who have been arrested are in fact writing stuff that's just straight up pornography. This activity is covered by Article 367 of the Chinese Criminal Code, which even contains a loophole in that besides for the purposes of science and education, stories with "artistic value" are allowed to some extent to potray erotica. So there are in fact ways to get around it, which is why vast majority of BL writers are not affected.

I haven't read what those arrested writers actually wrote since my Chinese isn't at the level of being able to read novels and plus they've been taken down by now. But netizens have said what they wrote does basically violate the law, since its just straight up smut and nothing else. In fact, go on to Weibo and XHS, vast majority of them actually do think their arrests are just routine enforcement of the law. However, what they do have issue with is the double standards in the enforcement of the law. You see, some of these writers have been sentence to 4-5 years in prison, but just some. Vast majority have gotten fines, though the fines range in the low thousands of US dollars which as we know for a lot of Chinese isn't a small sum of money. Meanwhile, recently there have been cases of domestic violence and animal abuse in China, where perps have gotten only 1-2 years in prison and a fine in the low hundreds of US dollars. So this is in fact what most netizens are mad about.
Curious which lawyer is it? Is the lawyer like a member of "c1v1l r1ghts" grp local or abroad?
 
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Japanese, took the Imperial exams, and rose through the ranks and became a governor. Friend of Li Bai and stayed in China for the rest of his life. Sure looks like meritocracy to me.
That is completely incomparable. That would be equivalent to saying: German Americans have the same opportunities as English Americans. East Asians having opportunities in East Asia should be no surprise. Especially more so during Tang dynasty, when it was (falsely) believed that Japanese were descended from Qin explorers.
 
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Iracundus

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That is completely incomparable. That would be equivalent to saying: German Americans have the same opportunities as English Americans. East Asians having opportunities in East Asia should be no surprise. Especially more so during Tang dynasty, when it was (falsely) believed that Japanese were descended from Qin explorers.

You are moving the goalposts. The statement disproven by Abe no Nakamoro's example was "There is not a single society/nation throughout history that offered equal opportunities to a minority group that was not the majority group and/or the group of the ruling elite.". The fact there is even one single society/nation in history that has done so disproves it and I have given a counterexample. Japanese in China are definitely a minority group not of the majority group and were not of the ruling elite. There are no other conditions in that statement, and trying to add on additional conditions like trying to say they have to be from a different continent or entirely different region of the world is moving the goalposts.

The whole point is that the United States is hypocritical when it comes to claiming to be equal and fair and meritocratic, because there are still so many invisible glass ceilings and covert racism, because Tang dynasty did better in that regard. The equivalent would be if somebody went to the United States from Japan, naturalized, and then became governor of a state. Does anyone see that actually happening all within 1 lifetime? The closest I can think of is Bobby Jindal but even then he was the son of 1st generation migrants and was born in Louisiana, the same state he eventually became governor of, and I think he was desperately trying to whitewash himself by being adopting anti-Muslim and anti-Mexican stances like the white supremacists.
 
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Since we're on this topic about exactly how much racism East Asians face in the US and their status I have this to say. For me, at least as of late, the 1st generations consist of people from all walks of life. You'll have Tsinghua educated types landing a prestigious FAANG job right out the gate, you'll have bumpkins who came through questionable means and have to scrape by delivering Temu packages in their personal minivans for Ontrac. The story plays out the same though that through hard work, rigorous parenting (for better or worse), and a value of education, second and third generations are able to be college graduates and enter the white collar field.

Stereotypes and discrimination plague East Asians in the work force, and yes there have been hate crimes against Asian Americans. But if we're talking the micro level for American born Asians, even if there are outliers it could be said most do live comfortably middle class lifestyles out of reach for that the vast majority of Americans. At least in my area many Asians are driving Teslas or some fancy German car, treat the Omakase restaurant scene as their own personal cafeteria, and work jobs with enough PTO to go on lavish European, Japanese, and Korean vacations 2-3 times a year. Living in high concentration Asian suburbs with low crime rates means too, many are insulated from some of the violence that usually take place in communities like Chinatown. It can be argued indeed, this is the reality most American born Asians live and made for themselves through hardwork.

However, there's another reality that they have to face and no amount of hard work will ever change, is being a minority. Emphasis on no amount of hardwork will ever change. I'm sure y'all are aware of all this bs about fighting for representation or what not. None of that matters! Jews in pre-Nazi Germany were not living in their own world like gypsies. To be blunt, they contributed far more to Germany than East Asians ever have to America. They were Nobel winners, gold medal Olympians, decorated war heroes, conductors, writers, etc. Simply put, no matter how good one has it, if you are a minority you live by the good graces of the dominant ethnic group.

Perhaps compared to other dominant ethnic groups in history, White Americans have been relatively more merciful towards its minorities, including Asians. But mercy, like patience, always has an expiration date, don't ever forget that.

As someone who has lived nearly 30 years in the west and born as 2nd generation immigrant I can tell that groups earning this or that doesn´t matter really in the bigger picture.

Both the white collar workers and blue collar workers are suffering including the highly educated once who all live from salary to salary hence all the stats just keep pitting them against each other and if you look at it someone making atleast 1000 usd LESS then you a month there is not much difference in the US or anywhere else in the west.

But what they don´t tell you is the percentage of the 1% aka these who made it and become rich. They never tell you about their demographics, background and there is no pitting against them.

The truth is everyone is chasing an illusion except the 1% and I mean all of them the blue collar workers, White collar workers, the highly educated once and honestly there is no difference between them at all just because someone is making thousand dollars more then you doesn´t mean shit but they are all equally broke in this high rising prices each day and inflation riddled west. They are all made to chase an illusion and a repeatitive life. Get up every morning and go serve someone to get a salary.. They will never know what true freedom is like.

I have seen plenty of 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants make it big in the west and become multi-millionaries but you will never see these on any stats and when I say immigrants I mean immigrants of all walks of life including Chinese-Americans, hack even Chinese-french, Algerian-French, Danish-Somali, Swedish-Moroccan, English-Pakistani etc etc.

In my honest opinion: the 1% is fooling the remaining of the population I have seen this with my own eyes and the rules are set in such a way in the west especially in Europe where it´s extremely difficult to become rich for an individual because they don´t want many rich people hence they will keep many European locals as cannon fodder poor and keep them as blue and white collar workers and some doctors and what not by sky rocketing the tax which is at whopping 50% and this disheartens anyone who wants to become self-suffient and open his own company or business.

They also do alot of brain washing in the school systems and all they promote and glamorize are only blue and white collar works and to put it short it is mostly works where you don´t and won´t own anything but either work or offer services and you get in return salary which means they just wanna put you in the working place like a horse but they don´t wanna help you.

Because if they wanted to help you make you rich they would have told you to go to business college and thought you how to run a business and eventually how to open a successful business of your own that makes you millions but no. They will tell you get this education and get work on this place or that place get monthly salaries they only want you in the market place as another work-horse hence the school system doesn´t want you to become rich and self-reliant but rather just another work-horse in the system that relies on the system for monthly pay checks hence the system is rigged against all students from the beginning.
 
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Overbom

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As someone who has lived nearly 30 years in the west and born as 2nd generation immigrant I can tell that groups earning this or that doesn´t matter really in the bigger picture.

Both the white collar workers and blue collar workers are suffering including the highly educated once who all live from salary to salary hence all the stats just keep pitting them against each other and if you look at it someone making atleast 1000 usd LESS then you a month there is not much difference in the US or anywhere else in the west.

But what they don´t tell you is the percentage of the 1% aka these who made it and become rich. They never tell you about their demographics, background and there is no pitting against them.

The truth is everyone is chasing an illusion except the 1% and I mean all of them the blue collar workers, White collar workers, the highly educated once and honestly there is no difference between them at all just because someone is making thousand dollars more then you doesn´t mean shit but they are all equally broke in this high rising prices each day and inflation riddled west. They are all made to chase an illusion and a repeatitive life. Get up every morning and go serve someone to get a salary.. They will never know what true freedom is like.

I have seen plenty of 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants make it big in the west and become multi-millionaries but you will never see these on any stats and when I say immigrants I mean immigrants of all walks of life including Chinese-Americans, hack even Chinese-french, Algerian-French, Danish-Somali, Swedish-Moroccan, English-Pakistani etc etc.

In my honest opinion: the 1% is fooling the remaining of the population I have seen this with my own eyes and the rules are set in such a way in the west especially in Europe where it´s extremely difficult to become rich for an individual because they don´t want many rich people hence they will keep many European locals as cannon fodder poor and keep them as blue and white collar workers and some doctors and what not by sky rocketing the tax which is at whopping 50% and this disheartens anyone who wants to become self-suffient and open his own company or business.

They also do alot of brain washing in the school systems and all they promote and glamorize are only blue and white collar works and to put it short it is mostly works where you don´t and won´t own anything but either work or offer services and you get in return salary which means they just wanna put you in the working place like a horse but they don´t wanna help you.

Because if they wanted to help you make you rich they would have told you to go to business college and thought you how to run a business and eventually how to open a successful business of your own that makes you millions but no. They will tell you get this education and get work on this place or that place get monthly salaries they only want you in the market place as another work-horse hence the school system doesn´t want you to become rich and self-reliant but rather just another work-horse in the system that relies on the system for monthly pay checks hence the system is rigged against all students from the beginning.
Nah. Salary job is the "safest".

Vast majority of people are too stupid to open a business. Imagine them having to deal with supply chain, economics, legal, paperwork, administration etc.

Vast majority would get bankrupt and then have to be bailed out. It's just bad business and bad gov policy to promote business to the majority of people

The ones who are talented will eventually end up creating their own companies anyway. As for the others, into the grind you go
 

supersnoop

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Perhaps compared to other dominant ethnic groups in history, White Americans have been relatively more merciful towards its minorities, including Asians. But mercy, like patience, always has an expiration date, don't ever forget that.
Native Americans called… they would like to have a word…

Also black slavery…

relative to what exactly? Mongol empire? Romans? Old Chinese dynasties?
 
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