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GulfLander

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CMP

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In case anyone had doubts that SCMP is at least partially West-funded toilet paper. If not directly, then at least indirectly through some of the local wealthy traitors in HK.
 
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You are moving the goalposts. The statement disproven by Abe no Nakamoro's example was "There is not a single society/nation throughout history that offered equal opportunities to a minority group that was not the majority group and/or the group of the ruling elite.".

The whole point is that the United States is hypocritical when it comes to claiming to be equal and fair and meritocratic, because there are still so many invisible glass ceilings and covert racism, because Tang dynasty did better in that regard.

When the topic of the discussion is racial discrimination (and not minority rights in general), then using an example of a Japanese individual in China is clearly intellectually disingenuous. Otherwise, I would not even need to go as far back as the Tang dynasty and use any one of the 55 ethnic groups of the PRC as a counterexample, ie "Manchus/Koreans/Hui in China today have the same opportunities as the Han." Tang dynasty is known for its progressive policies and is considered a golden age of meritocracy in China, but Tang China simply was not not a racially heterogeneous empire.

Furthermore, pointing out a single individual or even handful of individuals is not a valid counter argument. The fact that a handful of Asians that do hold political office in the US does not imply that Asians have equal opportunities as Whites in the US.
 
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manqiangrexue

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I agree there is a cause and effect relationship between media portrayal and crimes against Asians, but these crimes are being committed by private citizens and not an example of government oppression.
I had already explained before, it is because the government's vitriol towards towards China and policies like investigating Chinese-blooded scientists are seeding the hatred for these actions and emboldening them. Why doesn't this happen to old Jewish people? Are anti-Semetic attacks treated the same and investigated with as much priority? No. It is indirect government oppression.
Yes, that is a good example of oppression. However, this is a pretty recent development. Let me ask you this though: if China were to pass a law banning US nationals from working in rare earths research- would you condemn it as government oppression?
Not at all. Because China doesn't pretend to be something it is not. We do not claim to be a country of immigrants with liberal values. We are a country for the Chinese, by the Chinese, and we have never told anyone otherwise.
At the end of the day, the US is a predominantly Anglo-Saxon nation. Expecting other races to be given equal treatment is an unrealistic standard. No society ever in the history of mankind has treated other races as well as its ruling and/or majority race. That's just human nature, humans evolved that way for a reason. However, the level of oppression Asians receive in the US is trivial when compared to say how African Americans were oppressed throughout most of American history, or how Africans were oppressed in South Africa or how Palestinians are oppressed in their homeland. Most of us here dont even approve of China accepting immigrants.

Crying about oppression of Asians in the US is distracting from the real acts of oppression, which is committed by the US and Western powers against the hundreds of millions of peoples outside of their borders. The US has supported, funded, and armed more highly oppressive and authoritarian states in the last 80 years than any other nation.

Iran was once an actual democracy, before MI6/CIA backed coup resulted in an unpopular monarchy which was overthrown by the Islamic revolution. SK was a dictatorship that was equally oppressive and authoritarian as NK until the late 1980s. The separatists in Taiwan were just as oppressive as Culutural Revolution China up until the second half of Chiang's son's rule. And the US launched countless coups throughout Latin America and the Middle East to put strongmen in power.
You misunderstand me. I point out America's oppression because a child @PLAwatcher12 came to suggest that North Korea deserves incredible hate because it's so oppressive while countries like the US deserve to have other nations hand over their nationals on demand or be responsible for thier own invasion. I did this to show him that America is much more oppressive in some instances (floodgates will open if you include crimes committed on other countries).

I'm not complaining at allllll. I like to see America fucking up like this and I want to see more. The more America behaves like this, the more it weakens its main strength, which is to snatch global talent, and most importantly, Chinese talent. If they lose this leg, China will run them over like a tank over an empty beer can. America's native non-Asian STEM talent is total garbage.
 

Nevermore

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I flipped through this person's tweets, and he is simply a representative of the image of Indian beggar imperialism.Fortunately, in the future, India will not be able to give anything to its neighbors. Even if India grows at a rate of 6.5%, it will only be able to grow to 3.5 times its current size in 20 years.
 

plawolf

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Will another 20 years make any diff? Or do they think that lndia can grow more in those 20years and cld be in a better nego position?
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India will not have a better negotiating position even if you give them another 20 thousand years if they don’t fundamentally change their ways.

Far more likely that China has concluded it’s easier to wait 20 years and let Mother Nature and climate change deal with the Jai Hinds rather than waste bullets on them.

India is a really surreal power in that even if you utterly curbstomp them on the battlefield in a limited engagement, as Pakistan just did, their ‘winnology’ spindoctors can still chalk that up as a win for India and they become even more emboldened and aggressive.

The only way to ensure the message is delivered to the Indian people and lesson learnt by them is to deal the Indian nation so much damage that they basically collapse into a failed state or a handful of warring states. The amount of resources that China would need to expend to teach that lesson is simply not remotely worth it. And then you have all the security problems that comes with having a failed state on your boarder.

Basically with India, the military option is a ‘go big or go home’ situation, where either you make the commitment for full regime change, multi-decade occupation and nation building like post WWII Germany and Japan, or you try to minimise the risks of a military engagement and/or minimise the cost of boarder clashes.

That is why China has opted to have the no-firearms rule with India. As annoying and distasteful it is to see PLA soldiers having forgo their technological and firepower dominance to fight the Indians hand to hand with stones and sticks like primitives, that’s far better than having regular exchanges of fire where more soldiers from both sides ends up dead just to maintain the same status quo.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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I agree there is a cause and effect relationship between media portrayal and crimes against Asians, but these crimes are being committed by private citizens and not an example of government oppression.
I have to point out that the Nazis claimed kristallnacht and boycotting Jewish stores movement were a spontaneous displays of anger too.

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