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AssassinsMace

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Is there any video of China's non-nuclear hydrogen bomb detonating that's been publicly posted? The only thing I've seen on a video maybe of it is of a device that looked it was spewing something that caught fire and then the device exploded into a big fireball. I read it was a 2.2 kilogram device that was 15 times more powerful than TNT.
 
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vincent

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AssassinsMace said:
Is there any video of China's non-nuclear hydrogen bomb detonating that's been publicly posted? The only thing I've seen on a video maybe of it is of a device that looked it was spewing something that caught fire and then the device exploded into a big fireball. I read it was a 2.2 kilogram device that was 15 times more powerful than TNT.
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Fake news from Stephen Chen of SCMP
 
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broadsword

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AssassinsMace said:
Is there any video of China's non-nuclear hydrogen bomb detonating that's been publicly posted? The only thing I've seen on a video maybe of it is of a device that looked it was spewing something that caught fire and then the device exploded into a big fireball. I read it was a 2.2 kilogram device that was 15 times more powerful than TNT.
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Not 15 times more powerful, but burned 15 times longer than TNT. Air-fuel explosives burn 2-10 times longer.
 
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pmc

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PLAwatcher12 said:
Im some ways it is and some ways it isn’t, we don’t know how most Chinese gear will work in wars but the US has tested theirs in combat but also they have no clue how to fight against an army with drones fighters and lots of missiles and artrillery
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US recon and information network' is used by Ukraine.
US should have gotten alot of experience from this Ukraine conflict unless you think they dont receieve data about air defense performance after thousands of Russian missiles and drones strikes. Ukraine conflict is not full picture as Russia is not sending missiles to logistic hubs in Poland/Romania but rather fight these missiles and drones to improve its systems. small drones becomes important because Russia had not intention for delivering knockout punch from beginning. Russia only solved this HIMAR problem both launcher and missile with combination of fighters and Forpost-R but nothing is 100% all the time. Drones are effective as long as larger platforms are supporting it. what Russia is doing is also US must be observing. in addition US logistics and training works for long duration. This B-2 to Iran i think flew 37 hours continuously. C-17 and C-5 flies like wide body civil airlines. but this does not mean US is prepared for large scale long duration conflict form distributed airbases that need protection.

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For example, a HIMARS launcher is detected and is being prepared for use. The time window for hitting such a target is a matter of minutes. And it is the Kinzhal that can hit such a target at a distance of hundreds of kilometers in 2-4 minutes . Thus, a unique reconnaissance and strike complex with a modern hypersonic combat component can be created. Such combat work will require the development of rapid transmission of information about targets, prompt decision-making on destruction and the transmission of information on board the carrier aircraft. But today, modern digital technology must solve such problems.
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PLAwatcher12

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pmc said:
US recon and information network' is used by Ukraine.
US should have gotten alot of experience from this Ukraine conflict unless you think they dont receieve data about air defense performance after thousands of Russian missiles and drones strikes. Ukraine conflict is not full picture as Russia is not sending missiles to logistic hubs in Poland/Romania but rather fight these missiles and drones to improve its systems. small drones becomes important because Russia had not intention for delivering knockout punch from beginning. Russia only solved this HIMAR problem both launcher and missile with combination of fighters and Forpost-R but nothing is 100% all the time. Drones are effective as long as larger platforms are supporting it. what Russia is doing is also US must be observing. in addition US logistics and training works for long duration. This B-2 to Iran i think flew 37 hours continuously. C-17 and C-5 flies like wide body civil airlines. but this does not mean US is prepared for large scale long duration conflict form distributed airbases that need protection.

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Of course they are but so is China but my point is viewing it and learnimg from it can only do so much until you face the real thing. US troops haven’t experienced mondern war what they have have experienced is much different than what they did in Afghanistan and Iraq
 
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MortyandRick

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iewgnem said:
The country that controls 55% of global manufacturing, 4x your industrial output, 300x your shipbuilding and has a monopoly on critical materials needed for weapons production isn't a peer, or near peer.
Nobody in human history has faced a country at this level of industrial overmatch, not even Japan in WW2 going against the US.
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I wouldn't get overconfident.
US had more ability to strike Chinese mainland with their bases than the other war around. They will for sure attack manufacturing hubs, shipyards, production facilities easier than China can strike theirs. I'm sure china will have strong AD but you can't stop everything. China needs to control shipping lanes and retain better ability to attack US mainland as well for deterrence.
 
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PLAwatcher12

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MortyandRick said:
I wouldn't get overconfident.
US had more ability to strike Chinese mainland with their bases than the other war around. They will for sure attack manufacturing hubs, shipyards, production facilities easier than China can strike theirs. I'm sure china will have strong AD but you can't stop everything. China needs to control shipping lanes and retain better ability to attack US mainland as well for deterrence.
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China can hit US bases in the mainland but they can only do it with missiles capable of carrying nukes, they can hit Guam and US bases in other countries though. Chinas main strikes if it comes to war will be much more limited than what the US can do, though striking Guam will be necessary as it’s where lots of major US military assets are. Striking South Korea, Japan or the Philippines is a lot more risky since striking them could potentially bring that country into war but striking Philippines wouldn’t be as big as a threat to China if they decide to join the war.
 
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MortyandRick said:
I wouldn't get overconfident.
US had more ability to strike Chinese mainland with their bases than the other war around. They will for sure attack manufacturing hubs, shipyards, production facilities easier than China can strike theirs. I'm sure china will have strong AD but you can't stop everything. China needs to control shipping lanes and retain better ability to attack US mainland as well for deterrence.
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Their bases on the First Island Chain wouldn’t last long.
 
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PLAwatcher12

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vincent said:
Their bases on the First Island Chain wouldn’t last long.
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I agree, same with Guam but Guam will last longer if the US gets involved in AR they better be ready for bases in Japan, Philippines or whatever country allows them to use it to be attacked without warning them first
 
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MortyandRick

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PLAwatcher12 said:
China can hit US bases in the mainland but they can only do it with missiles capable of carrying nukes, they can hit Guam and US bases in other countries though. Chinas main strikes if it comes to war will be much more limited than what the US can do, though striking Guam will be necessary as it’s where lots of major US military assets are. Striking South Korea, Japan or the Philippines is a lot more risky since striking them could potentially bring that country into war but striking Philippines wouldn’t be as big as a threat to China if they decide to join the war.
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Lol. It's given fact that china has prepared to fight US, Japan Phillipines, and possibly south Korea. Maybe even India for a bit. Again lets be realistic. If japan or south Korea strike Chinese mainland, that gives China cover to strike their mainland as well. And I'm not sure they would like that exchange. If all US bases are hit in Japan and Korea, any collateral damage would make other countries think twice about housing US bases in the future in that region.

Sure strikes on US mainland will be limited but they don't need to strike US mainland. Eliminate most bases in first and second island chain, access denial for CSGs and supply ships and then it's tied.
 
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