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ChongqingHotPot92 said:

Well, no doubt that Shanghainese are pro-west, as I mentioned. Shanghai is the perfect example of 崇洋媚外。But you also find hack a lot of Shanghai-like people you mentioned in Beijing's richest districts, such as Sanlitun in Chaoyang District. That's one of the richest areas in China. And it is also the richest folks who are extremely 崇洋媚外 because their wealthy often comes from it. And how did they even get to start their businesses? Connections with key individuals in the Party apparatus. That's why I have long argued that there is an unspoken bureaucratic capitalistic alliance between the "degenerates" and those within the Party. The Party needs them to create jobs and sources of black money, and the bureaucratic capitalists can do much better and have privileged access to do business with foreign MNCs due to Party protection and facilitation. They often function as financial middlemen in China's vast economy. Of course, this is a broad generalisation. Often than not, it is the kids of rich folks who have grown up in the West, obtained PR or citizenships, who then returned to China to be protected by their parents but believe that they are superior to Chinese in China because they have been "civilised" by the Western universities and have easy access to western MNC capital.

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FairAndUnbiased said:

There are 3 types of business people in China IMO. Let me call them the Beijing faction, Shenzhen faction and Shanghai faction.

Beijing faction: SOEs, MIC, some software

Shenzhen faction: industrial and tech hardware private companies

Shanghai faction: foreign companies, finance, media and some software.

The interests of the Beijing and Shenzhen factions depend on China doing well. If China does poorly then they lose everything.

But the Shanghai faction - not necessarily physically located in Shanghai of course - doesn't depend on China doing well. They're only there to rent seek and extract profits for foreign MNC. Even worse is that because they are concentrated in service industry it's easy for foreigners to invest in.

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4Runner said:

Those of you who are talking about Shanghai or Shanghainese are similar to those US China-hands talking about China. Here are a few historical facts:

(1) Between 1955 and 1977, Shanghai contributed about 1/3 of central government fiscal income.

(2) HSBC was founded as SHBC in Shanghai.

(3) Before 1977, "Made in Shanghai" was synonymous to quality.

(4) Deng regretted in an internal speech in 1992 that he should have included Shanghai along with other 14 SEZs created in 1980s.

(5) I have family members in the Shanghai municipal government who regularly receive visiting peers from other provinces. It is a consensus that only Shanghai can possibly be starting place for rule-of-law or democracy. This is not a joke. If you were not an age-old experienced insider, you would not have any clue on this subject.

(6) Huawei just completed its most advanced research park in Shanghai. Many people protested it should have been located in Guangdong or Sichuan or Beijing or Suzhou.

I can go on and on but you are getting my point. So stop talking non-sense on this locality subject unless you are an age-old Shanghainese.

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MortyandRick said:

I don't understand. We are now being disparaging and sh*tting on fellow Chinese just cause they are from Shanghai?!? Turning it into us vs them when we are the same country.

All because of the lies and useless posts by @ChongqingHotPot92 . He's literally causing this internal division. Why do we even respond this @ChongqingHotPot92 ramblings anyhow.

What a waste of space and time. Shanghai is important and powerful, so is a lot of other chinese cities. Lets move on. Don't dismiss the CPCs ability to properly govern china, they've done a great job and will continue to do so. People's QOL continue to increase. They are going toe to toe with the west, and holding their ground. The proof is in the facts and data. What do we care about what @ChongqingHotPot92 has to say?

If you want to vent and argue, argue it out with Chongqing specifically, not on Shanghai people or the city.

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MortyandRick said:

I don't understand. We are now being disparaging and sh*tting on fellow Chinese just cause they are from Shanghai?!? Turning it into us vs them when we are the same country.

All because of the lies and useless posts by @ChongqingHotPot92 . He's literally causing this internal division. Why do we even respond this @ChongqingHotPot92 ramblings anyhow.

What a waste of space and time. Shanghai is important and powerful, so is a lot of other chinese cities. Lets move on. Don't dismiss the CPCs ability to properly govern china, they've done a great job and will continue to do so. People's QOL continue to increase. They are going toe to toe with the west, and holding their ground. The proof is in the facts and data. What do we care about what @ChongqingHotPot92 has to say?

If you want to vent and argue, argue it out with Chongqing specifically, not on Shanghai people or the city.

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Bellum_Romanum said:

I don't think it's causing internal division but just a clear rebuttal to A VERY CLEARLY WESTERN DRIVEL PROPAGANDA coming from a privileged class who suffered a severe inconvenience from the government and then disguising his commentary (valid or not) as speaking on behalf of the less affluent a.k.a. average Chinese people when it's not even remotely close to the case.

Upper class Chinese in Shanghai think that they're too good for their britches (NOT ALL) and that kind of attitude must not be allowed to rot or even spread all over the country. Their contribution to the country was and is undeniable but it's a massive mistake to assume that such success was all due to them being "SHANGHAINESE". Such arrogance and supremacist views can breed contempt and the unfortunate scenario of us vs. them situation that we are already going through on this forum.

The success of the country is all of nation contribution but a seed to destruction can come from within and from a city that act, think, and assume to have all that power unrestricted.

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4Runner said:

Those of you who are talking about Shanghai or Shanghainese are similar to those US China-hands talking about China. Here are a few historical facts:

(1) Between 1955 and 1977, Shanghai contributed about 1/3 of central government fiscal income.

(2) HSBC was founded as SHBC in Shanghai.

(3) Before 1977, "Made in Shanghai" was synonymous to quality.

(4) Deng regretted in an internal speech in 1992 that he should have included Shanghai along with other 14 SEZs created in 1980s.

(5) I have family members in the Shanghai municipal government who regularly receive visiting peers from other provinces. It is a consensus that only Shanghai can possibly be starting place for rule-of-law or democracy. This is not a joke. If you were not an age-old experienced insider, you would not have any clue on this subject.

(6) Huawei just completed its most advanced research park in Shanghai. Many people protested it should have been located in Guangdong or Sichuan or Beijing or Suzhou.

I can go on and on but you are getting my point. So stop talking non-sense on this locality subject unless you are an age-old Shanghainese.

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FairAndUnbiased said:

It's not about Shanghai but the "Shanghai clique" as a short hand for global capital rather than national or public capital.

It's like when people talk about the "coastal liberals" vs. "heartland patriots" in the US. It doesn't mean they hate New York (well OK some actually do) or Iowa. It's just a shorthand for "globalist financial capital vs. US MIC, manufacturing and mining interests"

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