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[FairAndUnbiased]

Well, no doubt that Shanghainese are pro-west, as I mentioned. Shanghai is the perfect example of 崇洋媚外。But you also find hack a lot of Shanghai-like people you mentioned in Beijing's richest districts, such as Sanlitun in Chaoyang District. That's one of the richest areas in China. And it is also the richest folks who are extremely 崇洋媚外 because their wealthy often comes from it. And how did they even get to start their businesses? Connections with key individuals in the Party apparatus. That's why I have long argued that there is an unspoken bureaucratic capitalistic alliance between the "degenerates" and those within the Party. The Party needs them to create jobs and sources of black money, and the bureaucratic capitalists can do much better and have privileged access to do business with foreign MNCs due to Party protection and facilitation. They often function as financial middlemen in China's vast economy. Of course, this is a broad generalisation. Often than not, it is the kids of rich folks who have grown up in the West, obtained PR or citizenships, who then returned to China to be protected by their parents but believe that they are superior to Chinese in China because they have been "civilised" by the Western universities and have easy access to western MNC capital.

There are 3 types of business people in China IMO. Let me call them the Beijing faction, Shenzhen faction and Shanghai faction.

Beijing faction: SOEs, MIC, some software

Shenzhen faction: industrial and tech hardware private companies

Shanghai faction: foreign companies, finance, media and some software.

The interests of the Beijing and Shenzhen factions depend on China doing well. If China does poorly then they lose everything.

But the Shanghai faction - not necessarily physically located in Shanghai of course - doesn't depend on China doing well. They're only there to rent seek and extract profits for foreign MNC. Even worse is that because they are concentrated in service industry it's easy for foreigners to invest in.

 

[Chevalier]

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what happens when you’re stupid enough to follow Anglo American diktat on restricting chips to China? Your poor Samsung executives now have to pull 996 to help the company recover. This is rearranging deck chairs on the titanic, this crisis of Samsung was self inflicted and could be resolved simply by committing to the Chinese market, opening top range factories in China and insulating decisions from racist anglos in the five eyes. You reap what you sow.

There are 3 types of business people in China IMO. Let me call them the Beijing faction, Shenzhen faction and Shanghai faction.

Beijing faction: SOEs, MIC, some software

Shenzhen faction: industrial and tech hardware private companies

Shanghai faction: foreign companies, finance, media and some software.

The interests of the Beijing and Shenzhen factions depend on China doing well. If China does poorly then they lose everything.

But the Shanghai faction - not necessarily physically located in Shanghai of course - doesn't depend on China doing well. They're only there to rent seek and extract profits for foreign MNC. Even worse is that because they are concentrated in service industry it's easy for foreigners to invest in.

In that sense, President Xi's plan of making China a finance capital of the world serves to dilute and winnow the relative power of the shanghai faction, to inject a bit of patriotic spirit and expel the hanjian turds. What jewish capital in new york and london does for Israel, so too should Chinese capital do for China; currently, the Overseas Chinese market is worth billions and it is all going towards the anglo american capitalist war machine against China. What i want to see is an Overseas Chinese Blackrock or Goldman Sachs that not only invests in China, and serves Chinese interests but also provides jobs and access for Overseas Chinese who are often targeted unfairly in white workplaces and are bamboo ceiling'd.

 

[4Runner]

Those of you who are talking about Shanghai or Shanghainese are similar to those US China-hands talking about China. Here are a few historical facts:

(1) Between 1955 and 1977, Shanghai contributed about 1/3 of central government fiscal income.

(2) HSBC was founded as SHBC in Shanghai.

(3) Before 1977, "Made in Shanghai" was synonymous to quality.

(4) Deng regretted in an internal speech in 1992 that he should have included Shanghai along with other 14 SEZs created in 1980s.

(5) I have family members in the Shanghai municipal government who regularly receive visiting peers from other provinces. It is a consensus that only Shanghai can possibly be starting place for rule-of-law or democracy. This is not a joke. If you were not an age-old experienced insider, you would not have any clue on this subject.

(6) Huawei just completed its most advanced research park in Shanghai. Many people protested it should have been located in Guangdong or Sichuan or Beijing or Suzhou.

I can go on and on but you are getting my point. So stop talking non-sense on this locality subject unless you are an age-old Shanghainese.

 

[MortyandRick]

I don't understand. We are now being disparaging and sh*tting on fellow Chinese just cause they are from Shanghai?!? Turning it into us vs them when we are the same country.

All because of the lies and useless posts by @ChongqingHotPot92 . He's literally causing this internal division. Why do we even respond this @ChongqingHotPot92 ramblings anyhow.

What a waste of space and time. Shanghai is important and powerful, so is a lot of other chinese cities. Lets move on. Don't dismiss the CPCs ability to properly govern china, they've done a great job and will continue to do so. People's QOL continue to increase. They are going toe to toe with the west, and holding their ground. The proof is in the facts and data. What do we care about what @ChongqingHotPot92 has to say?

If you want to vent and argue, argue it out with Chongqing specifically, not on Shanghai people or the city.

 

[Aniah]

Those of you who are talking about Shanghai or Shanghainese are similar to those US China-hands talking about China. Here are a few historical facts:

(1) Between 1955 and 1977, Shanghai contributed about 1/3 of central government fiscal income.

(2) HSBC was founded as SHBC in Shanghai.

(3) Before 1977, "Made in Shanghai" was synonymous to quality.

(4) Deng regretted in an internal speech in 1992 that he should have included Shanghai along with other 14 SEZs created in 1980s.

(5) I have family members in the Shanghai municipal government who regularly receive visiting peers from other provinces. It is a consensus that only Shanghai can possibly be starting place for rule-of-law or democracy. This is not a joke. If you were not an age-old experienced insider, you would not have any clue on this subject.

(6) Huawei just completed its most advanced research park in Shanghai. Many people protested it should have been located in Guangdong or Sichuan or Beijing or Suzhou.

I can go on and on but you are getting my point. So stop talking non-sense on this locality subject unless you are an age-old Shanghainese.

5/6 of these points I do not consider relevant to today's year of 2024. If anything it would seem their HK-style attitude of superiority is still relevant today even after 50 years. You act like us targeting haijins and traitors somehow means targeting the average Shanghai citizen which makes me think you are looking away from the point most of us here are trying to make.

 

[Aniah]

I don't understand. We are now being disparaging and sh*tting on fellow Chinese just cause they are from Shanghai?!? Turning it into us vs them when we are the same country.

All because of the lies and useless posts by @ChongqingHotPot92 . He's literally causing this internal division. Why do we even respond this @ChongqingHotPot92 ramblings anyhow.

What a waste of space and time. Shanghai is important and powerful, so is a lot of other chinese cities. Lets move on. Don't dismiss the CPCs ability to properly govern china, they've done a great job and will continue to do so. People's QOL continue to increase. They are going toe to toe with the west, and holding their ground. The proof is in the facts and data. What do we care about what @ChongqingHotPot92 has to say?

If you want to vent and argue, argue it out with Chongqing specifically, not on Shanghai people or the city.

It's important to be clear on this now rather than later. None of us here hate Shangai or even HK or any other Chinese providence for that matter. With that said, some of us must remember that every providence has its issues, and calling it out isn't us trying to insult them or attack them.

@4Runner and @FriedRiceNSpice, you two should understand that almost all of us fellow Chinese aren't trying to insult your hometown. Well, all except @ChongqingHotPot92 who is laughably anti-china and a shit stirrer.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

I don't understand. We are now being disparaging and sh*tting on fellow Chinese just cause they are from Shanghai?!? Turning it into us vs them when we are the same country.

All because of the lies and useless posts by @ChongqingHotPot92 . He's literally causing this internal division. Why do we even respond this @ChongqingHotPot92 ramblings anyhow.

What a waste of space and time. Shanghai is important and powerful, so is a lot of other chinese cities. Lets move on. Don't dismiss the CPCs ability to properly govern china, they've done a great job and will continue to do so. People's QOL continue to increase. They are going toe to toe with the west, and holding their ground. The proof is in the facts and data. What do we care about what @ChongqingHotPot92 has to say?

If you want to vent and argue, argue it out with Chongqing specifically, not on Shanghai people or the city.

I don't think it's causing internal division but just a clear rebuttal to A VERY CLEARLY WESTERN DRIVEL PROPAGANDA coming from a privileged class who suffered a severe inconvenience from the government and then disguising his commentary (valid or not) as speaking on behalf of the less affluent a.k.a. average Chinese people when it's not even remotely close to the case.

Upper class Chinese in Shanghai think that they're too good for their britches (NOT ALL) and that kind of attitude must not be allowed to rot or even spread all over the country. Their contribution to the country was and is undeniable but it's a massive mistake to assume that such success was all due to them being "SHANGHAINESE". Such arrogance and supremacist views can breed contempt and the unfortunate scenario of us vs. them situation that we are already going through on this forum.

The success of the country is all of nation contribution but a seed to destruction can come from within and from a city that act, think, and assume to have all that power unrestricted.

 

[MortyandRick]

I don't think it's causing internal division but just a clear rebuttal to A VERY CLEARLY WESTERN DRIVEL PROPAGANDA coming from a privileged class who suffered a severe inconvenience from the government and then disguising his commentary (valid or not) as speaking on behalf of the less affluent a.k.a. average Chinese people when it's not even remotely close to the case.

Upper class Chinese in Shanghai think that they're too good for their britches (NOT ALL) and that kind of attitude must not be allowed to rot or even spread all over the country. Their contribution to the country was and is undeniable but it's a massive mistake to assume that such success was all due to them being "SHANGHAINESE". Such arrogance and supremacist views can breed contempt and the unfortunate scenario of us vs. them situation that we are already going through on this forum.

The success of the country is all of nation contribution but a seed to destruction can come from within and from a city that act, think, and assume to have all that power unrestricted.

That's the thing. I agree with what your conclusions but how do we know if it's even that big of an issue. Just cause @ChongqingHotPot92 said so? Is he even Chinese? Every city in every country will have entitled people. New Yorkers look down on Alabama and the south. California look down on the mid west. It's tolerable. You can't get rid of them but need to control and suppress them. Otherwise it will turn into the US type polarization.

I feel the Chinese govt is very good at using all kinds of people to advance the country, and at the same time, keeping any internal division under check, just like how they controlled toxic Feminism, that post COVID stupid white paper movement, HK umbrella movement, the jasmine revolution (LOL)! Etc. Lets leave that privileged class rhetoric aside and move on. Don't give western propaganda shills the satisfaction of magnifying this type of division.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Those of you who are talking about Shanghai or Shanghainese are similar to those US China-hands talking about China. Here are a few historical facts:

(1) Between 1955 and 1977, Shanghai contributed about 1/3 of central government fiscal income.

(2) HSBC was founded as SHBC in Shanghai.

(3) Before 1977, "Made in Shanghai" was synonymous to quality.

(4) Deng regretted in an internal speech in 1992 that he should have included Shanghai along with other 14 SEZs created in 1980s.

(5) I have family members in the Shanghai municipal government who regularly receive visiting peers from other provinces. It is a consensus that only Shanghai can possibly be starting place for rule-of-law or democracy. This is not a joke. If you were not an age-old experienced insider, you would not have any clue on this subject.

(6) Huawei just completed its most advanced research park in Shanghai. Many people protested it should have been located in Guangdong or Sichuan or Beijing or Suzhou.

I can go on and on but you are getting my point. So stop talking non-sense on this locality subject unless you are an age-old Shanghainese.

It's not about Shanghai but the "Shanghai clique" as a short hand for global capital rather than national or public capital.

It's like when people talk about the "coastal liberals" vs. "heartland patriots" in the US. It doesn't mean they hate New York (well OK some actually do) or Iowa. It's just a shorthand for "globalist financial capital vs. US MIC, manufacturing and mining interests"

 

[A potato]

It's not about Shanghai but the "Shanghai clique" as a short hand for global capital rather than national or public capital.

It's like when people talk about the "coastal liberals" vs. "heartland patriots" in the US. It doesn't mean they hate New York (well OK some actually do) or Iowa. It's just a shorthand for "globalist financial capital vs. US MIC, manufacturing and mining interests"

Do people in Shanghai have a positive to old Shanghai (pre 1949 Shanghai) if yes than that is a worrying sign,