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pmc

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I must point out that China has a far lower suicide rate than Japan, South Korea and most western countries.

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China's is comparable to Southeast Asian countries like Malaysia and Vietnam. On the map there is the "northern depression belt" of Russia, northern Europe, NA, South Korea and Japan. Then there's the green "chill tropical zone". China's in the chill tropical zone.

So if people are sooooo depressed and negative why is it not being reflected in suicide rates?
This data regarding Russia seem out dated. and Places like Saint Petersburg are only 5.9.
if Saints Peterburg that low than the real wealthy and higher population growth region will be even lower.

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actually the west is also experiencing significant gender conflict.

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And no, it isn't "Asian incels".

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The Incel Revolt is actually much, much more severe for the Anglo West because it has proven to result in spasms of Incel massacres and violence, whereas no such violence has occurred in China. In fact, back in the 90s, the popular anglo led western projection about China's birth imbalance was that China would go to war since a large demographic of military age males would lead to violence. Whilst this was indeed the case in the sexually frustrated Anglo America, this was not the case in China, nor of Asia. In fact, i think it's revealing of the calibre of human being: incels in the west resort to violence and violent fantasies as expressed in 4chan boards, whereas incels of China resort to being shamed into getting a girlfriend or get 'xiangqin'd' by their friends and family or they turn to more productive pursuits for love and sex.
They need to put out a travel advisory on Australia.
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Watching Chinese academics studying the anglo "incelsphere" is like watching aliens exploring a strange new planet.

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This is actually important, because this info will be useful for psychological warfare against the Anglosphere; currently, US society is rocked by a large mass of sexually frustrated young males who cannot convince american women to touch them, let alone engage in romance and marriage. This leads to inevitable violence which the US elites hope to direct towards Asia.
 
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The Incel Revolt is actually much, much more severe for the Anglo West because it has proven to result in spasms of Incel massacres and violence, whereas no such violence has occurred in China. In fact, back in the 90s, the popular anglo led western projection about China's birth imbalance was that China would go to war since a large demographic of military age males would lead to violence. Whilst this was indeed the case in the sexually frustrated Anglo America, this was not the case in China, nor of Asia. In fact, i think it's revealing of the calibre of human being: incels in the west resort to violence and violent fantasies as expressed in 4chan boards, whereas incels of China resort to being shamed into getting a girlfriend or get 'xiangqin'd' by their friends and family or they turn to more productive pursuits for love and sex.
According to the way the Chinese system works, you should exhaust every option first before declaring war for it means you were unable to settle things without needing to go to extremes.

So why are there so many bloody wars in China? Because simply put talking has its limits. Maybe it will have some effect of people are acting in good faith and want to resolve things in a win-win situation. But many people are disingenuous and acting in bad faith. So in the end nothing real is achieved.

When it comes to stuff like this where you see Asians being attacked, they will never admit it's racial or whatever. They will try to gaslight you into saying it's insanity or mental illness. Which is funny coz a lot of Asians in the west to a degree are mentally damaged from a hostile environment yet you don't see them shooting up schools as much or deliberately targeting women of a certain race.

That's why the old communist leaders were strong coz they knew this and did not compromise. Mao knew the KMT, US and India would never act in good faith so he said that's cool, I'll just crush you so it doesn't matter what you say since I'm the one who will dictate your fate. Deng who westeners loved was also a no nonsense guy so when Thatcher tried to come up with an excuse to keep HK, he just said no, you don't like it then I'll take it. He also was not willing to fall for the USSR crap when he could see it had terminal cancer.

So slowly Chinese are beginning to see the only way to get anything is to be strong so no matter how disingenuous others are, it doesn't matter coz the ones with power will decide what is the final word. You can now also kinda see why Mao makes the west seethe so much by his actions and mentality coz it really screws up their Modus operandi.
 
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ChongqingHotPot92

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Welcome to capitalism. Would you rather China revert back to socialism? There are only two types of countries in the world. In the first type, the only way to be wealthy is to be born wealthy. In the second type, the only way to be wealthy is to be born wealthy, or alternatively work extremely hard. There is no country in the world where you can be born not wealthy and become well off by just working at a moderate pace. This utopia you imagine where people can work 35-40 hours a week and not have to worry about money doesn't exist in the real world (outside exceptions that tend to be tiny nations with extreme amounts of natural resource wealth). The US only seems less competitive when viewed from an Asian perspective. Even in the US, except for an ever shrinking middle stratum of the population, people have to work far more than 40 hours per week. If you want to be able to be a homeowner, not live paycheck to paycheck, and not worry about retirement in the US, you are going to be working much more than 40 hours per week. There are also tens of millions of Americans working much more than 40 hours per week just to barely get by.
That’s where the problem is. It is about WHAT KIND of capitalism that would be healthy for competition whilst minimising exploitation. Most developed countries (with the exception of the U.S.) have universal health coverage and heavily subsidised college education. China’s undergrad educations are affordable for urbanites, but not necessarily for folks from the rural area. Middle and high schools are free on paper, but there are lots of administrative fees where school administrators still extract large sums of payments from students’ families. Now with regards to universal medical insurance coverage, China again has universal coverage on paper. In reality, there are four tiers of coverages depending on your hukou (household registration system) and whether or not you are a government official. If you happen to be high-ranking officials, you and your family get the best medicines and machines for free, all pay for by taxpayers. But that’s for high ranking party members and CEOs of state owned industries only. Most people get free coverages that are usually the cheapest and least effective, whilst still having to pay a premium plus monthly insurance charges. So yes, China does have social welfare, but again the best free things go to privileged folks who need them the least.

I’m not saying it is the end of the world. Just that there are lots of room for improvement.
 

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China’s undergrad educations are affordable for urbanites, but not necessarily for folks from the rural area.
College education is not necessary for everyone, there is professional trade schools. See Germany where many to professional trade and make high wages in a specialty or trade. There are many manufacturing jobs that do not require a college degree.

Middle and high schools are free on paper, but there are lots of administrative fees where school administrators still extract large sums of payments from students’ families.
And in the US, the public highschool and middle school system is free and low out of pocket fees, but the education quality is vastly inferior to the Chinese counterparts. US public school system suck donkey balls.

Now with regards to universal medical insurance coverage, China again has universal coverage on paper. In reality, there are four tiers of coverages depending on your hukou (household registration system) and whether or not you are a government official.
Still vastly better than the fragmented healthcare system in the US where life expectancy is lower than China's at 20X the healthcare spending per capita. Even in US, there is a coverage based on "in-network" and "out-of-network" largely based on your geographic locality too, and your coverage is tiered depending on your premium contributions. God forbid you have catastrophic insurance that pays virtually nothing unless you hit a high deductible.
If you happen to be high-ranking officials, you and your family get the best medicines and machines for free, all pay for by taxpayers. But that’s for high ranking party members and CEOs of state owned industries only. Most people get free coverages that are usually the cheapest and least effective, whilst still having to pay a premium plus monthly insurance charges. So yes, China does have social welfare, but again the best free things go to privileged folks who need them the least.
And then there is the US where you simply die of cancer because of lack of employer-sponsored health insurance, or go into medical bankruptcy and lose your entire home.
I’m not saying it is the end of the world. Just that there are lots of room for improvement.
Can you suggest a better healthcare model in a country >50 million population without natural resources wealth?
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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College education is not necessary for everyone, there is professional trade schools. See Germany where many to professional trade and make high wages in a specialty or trade. There are many manufacturing jobs that do not require a college degree.


And in the US, the public highschool and middle school system is free and low out of pocket fees, but the education quality is vastly inferior to the Chinese counterparts. US public school system suck donkey balls.


Still vastly better than the fragmented healthcare system in the US where life expectancy is lower than China's at 20X the healthcare spending per capita. Even in US, there is a coverage based on "in-network" and "out-of-network" largely based on your geographic locality too, and your coverage is tiered depending on your premium contributions. God forbid you have catastrophic insurance that pays virtually nothing unless you hit a high deductible.

And then there is the US where you simply die of cancer because of lack of employer-sponsored health insurance, or go into medical bankruptcy and lose your entire home.

Can you suggest a better healthcare model in a country >50 million population without natural resources wealth?
How about least get rid of the privileged system reserved for Party elders and their families (高干医疗,高干病房), so more resources could be put into the general system for common citizens, veterans, working elders, pregnant women (I mean, if China really wants to boost birth rate, at LEAST make things free for pregnant women and single mothers/fathers). There also needs to be paid paternity leaves (don’t need to be as long as maternity leave, but at least a week off during the mother’s labour and birth) required by law (must be actually enforceable, unlike China’s failed labour contract law) as opposed to just maternity leave. It is vital for toddlers to get to know their fathers instead just mothers or grandparents. As with my, I grew up with my grandparents during childhood since parents were so busy that they only got to see me once a week. I was lucky. The children of migrant workers don’t even know who their parents are. Ultimately, you need to improve Joe average citizens’ disposable income in order to sustain economic growth and promote a less toxic social environment.
 

Michaelsinodef

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How about least get rid of the privileged system reserved for Party elders and their families (高干医疗,高干病房), so more resources could be put into the general system for common citizens, veterans, working elders, pregnant women (I mean, if China really wants to boost birth rate, at LEAST make things free for pregnant women and single mothers/fathers). There also needs to be paternity leaves (don’t need to be as long as maternity leave, but at least a week off during the mother’s labour and birth) required by law (must be actually enforceable, unlike China’s failed labour contract law) as opposed to just maternity leave. Ultimately, you need to improve Joe average citizens’ disposable income in order to sustain economic growth and promote a less toxic social environment.
Lmao.

Can you provide any data on say how many resources it actually consumes and uses?

And do have any idea at all what it would mean to substantially improve healthcare for basically all of China's population?

Talk without any data or investigation is empty talk and has zero impact on improving things.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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Lmao.

Can you provide any data on say how many resources it actually consumes and uses?

And do have any idea at all what it would mean to substantially improve healthcare for basically all of China's population?

Talk without any data or investigation is empty talk and has zero impact on improving things.
Who don’t you ask those privileged folks to declassify the data then. Everyone living in China knows about how unfair the healthcare system is. So stop playing the data game when you know most data coming out of China either deliberately fabricated or classified since the truth could lead to more anger among the populace. Also, I didn’t say these. Late Premier Li Keqiang did. He was the one who admitted that data coming out of China only reveal parts of the reality, meaning the full picture is deliberately classified.
 
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