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You have certainly covered most of the bases. On the other hand the current refugees have young men, some of whom would have recent experience in firing assalt rifles making IE's and chucking grenades here and there.
A better intelligent service will reduce the effect of having a part of the population frustrated by the bad policies of the country. It is better to improve the policies.
solarz
Brigadier
It is 100% certain that ISIS has operatives hidden among the refugees. The only question is how many. However, that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of the refugees are innocent civilians caught in a bloody civil war.
In order for terrorists to carry out the kind of attack we just saw in Paris, they need a network of people to smuggle in weapons, train people, and coordinate communication. This is where the Law Enforcement of a country needs to step up.
A lone wolf conducting a bomb or shooting attack is understandably difficult to stop, but seven coordinated attacks on the capital of a nation during a time of heightened security is simply an inexcusable failure on the part of that nation's intelligence and law enforcement. Refugees are just a scapegoat here.
I am particularly dumbfounded by comments from the Mayor of Paris, where he said that "we don't know if it will happen again tomorrow". This, frankly, just smacks of incompetent leadership. Did Rudy Giuliani say we don't know if planes will crash into buildings again tomorrow? Hell no! You take measures, draconian measures if necessary, to ensure that this won't happen again any time soon.
In order for terrorists to carry out the kind of attack we just saw in Paris, they need a network of people to smuggle in weapons, train people, and coordinate communication. This is where the Law Enforcement of a country needs to step up.
A lone wolf conducting a bomb or shooting attack is understandably difficult to stop, but seven coordinated attacks on the capital of a nation during a time of heightened security is simply an inexcusable failure on the part of that nation's intelligence and law enforcement. Refugees are just a scapegoat here.
I am particularly dumbfounded by comments from the Mayor of Paris, where he said that "we don't know if it will happen again tomorrow". This, frankly, just smacks of incompetent leadership. Did Rudy Giuliani say we don't know if planes will crash into buildings again tomorrow? Hell no! You take measures, draconian measures if necessary, to ensure that this won't happen again any time soon.
Jura The idiot
General
... info popped up a moment ago about 127 confirmed dead, about 300 wounded, out of which 80 is dying :-(
NOW ... TGV derailed:
please tell me this is a coincidence
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the original source for the TGV derailment seems to be this link:
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Timepass, as I have already said elsewhere, most syrian refugees arriving in Germany say their prime reason is the artrocities of Assad, not even the IS. The same type of rule has also been practiced by Gaddafi or Saddam before. To which so many people objected before their societies decended into chaos.
Now in that context your critique brings up the interesting question if you believe the people of the middle east are vastly unable to life as civilized human beings and instead need to be curtailed by ruthless rulers through intimidaton, terror, torture and rape.
Certainly not a very nice oppinion.
Furthermore, those Taliban / AQ thughs were supported by Pakistan just the same. And not only during the late '80s fight against the soviets. But well into the 2000s, when Pakistan made that wiered distinction between "good" and "bad" Taliban, and the ISI was looking to "controll" them as a means of keeping an influence in Afghanistan.
To an extent much greater then the US / UK / France do or ever did, AQ / al-Nusra offsprings are supported by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey (or if we take Hezbollah or the Sadr army by Iran & Syria) and so on to further their interests for influence in the region. Without the smallest regard for their "fellow" people. So don't try to claim any kind of moral high ground of the "arab / persian world" when it comes to foreign policies.
Finally, after several wars of aggression and even intended annihilation which arab countries / palestinian arabs started against Israel over the last 6 decades, I don't believe you're in any position to blame the defender for defending their right to live and exist with force and whatever other means necessary.
Especially when those aggressors deliberately target civilians and even children through suicide bombing, rocket attacks and the like on a massive scale.
Places like Jerusalem, Gaza or the Golan Hights have only been taken by Israel after they were used to attack Israel.
Funnily enough, when Gaza was controlled by Egypt, no interest what so ever existed in providing the local population with their own state. Only when Egypt lost that territory to their enemy did they all of a sudden find the interest for a "palestinian" people.
Also a few things to think about from the other side.
Now in that context your critique brings up the interesting question if you believe the people of the middle east are vastly unable to life as civilized human beings and instead need to be curtailed by ruthless rulers through intimidaton, terror, torture and rape.
Certainly not a very nice oppinion.
Furthermore, those Taliban / AQ thughs were supported by Pakistan just the same. And not only during the late '80s fight against the soviets. But well into the 2000s, when Pakistan made that wiered distinction between "good" and "bad" Taliban, and the ISI was looking to "controll" them as a means of keeping an influence in Afghanistan.
To an extent much greater then the US / UK / France do or ever did, AQ / al-Nusra offsprings are supported by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey (or if we take Hezbollah or the Sadr army by Iran & Syria) and so on to further their interests for influence in the region. Without the smallest regard for their "fellow" people. So don't try to claim any kind of moral high ground of the "arab / persian world" when it comes to foreign policies.
Finally, after several wars of aggression and even intended annihilation which arab countries / palestinian arabs started against Israel over the last 6 decades, I don't believe you're in any position to blame the defender for defending their right to live and exist with force and whatever other means necessary.
Especially when those aggressors deliberately target civilians and even children through suicide bombing, rocket attacks and the like on a massive scale.
Places like Jerusalem, Gaza or the Golan Hights have only been taken by Israel after they were used to attack Israel.
Funnily enough, when Gaza was controlled by Egypt, no interest what so ever existed in providing the local population with their own state. Only when Egypt lost that territory to their enemy did they all of a sudden find the interest for a "palestinian" people.
Also a few things to think about from the other side.
No confirmation or proof. IT is Speculation
MwRYum
Major
For those who remembered, a few months back one of those Daesh propagandas mentioned they've fighters amongst the flood of refugees hitting the EU borders...of course most would call them bluff, but if even me recalled that, this is gonna spread fast.
To be honest, I don't expect them to come to their senses to realise to end the Daesh threat is through decisive military actions, 1 month of Russians' effort already proven how half-baked the US-led air campaign is, which has been going on for 2 years.
Back to topic, the Daesh admitted it, so the most likely scenario would be the planning is done via some local Daesh cells as-of-yet unknown to the French intelligence services, extra muscles brought in by the mean of disguising fighters as refugees. As such, even if the rest of the refugees are indeed innocent, they as a whole are going to suffer. Fact.
Well give or take after 72 hours when people finished licking their wounds, there's going to be plenty of angry voices demanding answers, most of which would be "who exactly did all that?" or something along that line. If any of the terrorist dead or caught found to be allowed entry as refugees, particularly during the last 6 months, you can expect it'd get ugly and violence against refugees and Muslims will be on the menu...even if the folks at France and Germany manage to held onto their senses and not go angry mob, you can expect the EU motioned into shutting down borders and turn away refugees.
To be honest, I don't expect them to come to their senses to realise to end the Daesh threat is through decisive military actions, 1 month of Russians' effort already proven how half-baked the US-led air campaign is, which has been going on for 2 years.
Back to topic, the Daesh admitted it, so the most likely scenario would be the planning is done via some local Daesh cells as-of-yet unknown to the French intelligence services, extra muscles brought in by the mean of disguising fighters as refugees. As such, even if the rest of the refugees are indeed innocent, they as a whole are going to suffer. Fact.
Jura The idiot
General
the downing of A321 was an act of terrorism (explosives used), the FSB head
said most recently, for the record:
(just for a case it wasn't in Western media already)
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"up to one kilogram TNT equivalent" on board according to
said most recently, for the record:
(just for a case it wasn't in Western media already)
EDIT
"up to one kilogram TNT equivalent" on board according to
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