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US is not the enemy of China. I don't care how you label US vis-a-vis any other country on this planet.

This is false.

But the Chinese public does not view US as the enemy of China, regardless of current national sentiment. Unless US declare war on China over Taiwan, it is not likely in the foreseeable future the Chinese public would view US as the enemy.
8 nation alliance, drugging China with drugs, pogroms against Chinese Americans, racist laws like Chinese Exclusion Act, anti miscegenation laws and ongoing modern media warfare against only Chinese men and white women couples, supplying Imperial Japan during its attack on China, protecting Unit 731 and imperial Japan's leaders from justice, funding the KMT during the Chinese civil war in the hopes over colonizing China through a puppet regime, threatening repeatedly to drop nuclear bombs on China, waging biological warfare against China during the "Korean" War, trying to overthrow the CPC in the 1989 Tiananmen Square plot, terrorism in Xinjiang, terrorism in Tibet, terrorism in HK and recently, Taiwan. I could go on for a while.

What will it take for you to see these psychopaths as your enemy. Do they need to kill 90% of the Chinese population before you see them as your enemy?

The only people who DO not want US and China in an all-out war are Americans and Chinese

Look at the above. These same Americans gladly indulged in genocidal biological warfare fantasies like The Unparalleled Invasion book 100 years ago (while drugging and plundering China) and now routinely end conversations or debates with ", glass the chinks with nukes". The same racist genocidal psychopathy Caucasians have repeatedly demonstrated by nuking Japanese civilians, killing some 25% of the North Korean population, waging total warfare including chemical warfare on the Vietnamese with agent orange (search pictures since I can't post them here), secretly bombing Laos and Cambodia each more than the axis powers were bombed in ww2 has everything to do with the West's pathological genocidal racism and unhinged hate against Asians.


US behaves the way it has been because it has been the #1 power on this planet
See above point.

Many of the attacks listed above were done when China was weak and America was not #1.

Every hegemony in history behaves badly in the end
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every other human being on this planet will call out China in similar ways as they are doing to US.

Baseless claim. Hundreds of years ago, the Ming dynasty had the world's most powerful navy and peacefully traded around the world unlike the invasive genocidal Caucasians who inflicted mass atrocities everywhere they went. In modern times, China repeats the same behavior, by rising peacefully without European-styled barbarism. Don't try to lump China with the West. They are totally different.
 

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US is not the enemy of China.
If one country is smearing and bashing the other country all the time at every chance, ganging up to circle and contain the other country, sponsoring terrorists and secessionists against the other country, the first country is an enemy of the second short of declaring war.

I don't care how you label US vis-a-vis any other country on this planet. But the Chinese public does not view US as the enemy of China, regardless of current national sentiment.
The Chinese public has seen how hostile the US is to China. That is enough for most Chinese to view the US as an enemy.

And you are self contradicting in saying that national sentiment isn't shaping the public opinion.

Unless US declare war on China over Taiwan, it is not likely in the foreseeable future the Chinese public would view US as the enemy.
It does not need a hot war for one country to become an enemy of another. No one would dispute that, during the cold war, the Soviet Union and the US were enemy of each other.

Granted, US and China are and will be the principle competitors on this planet for as long as they remain 1-2 in the world. Therefore, there will be flare-ups here and there in all domains of human activities. That is not unlike situations between provinces, cities, local identities inside China.
This analogy is so wrong. Residents in Shanghai do not wish mass destruction of other places in China. Shenzhen citizens do not want to bomb Beijing to stone age. The Sichuan province do not try to break the Hubei province into small parts and do not sponsor criminals in other provinces.
 

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If one country is smearing and bashing the other country all the time at every chance, ganging up to circle and contain the other country, sponsoring terrorists and secessionists against the other country, the first country is an enemy of the second short of declaring war.

His the type of guy to be sitting in the Polish Gov insisting that the Nazis aren’t going to invade in 1939.
 

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US is not the enemy of China. I don't care how you label US vis-a-vis any other country on this planet. But the Chinese public does not view US as the enemy of China, regardless of current national sentiment. Unless US declare war on China over Taiwan, it is not likely in the foreseeable future the Chinese public would view US as the enemy.

Granted, US and China are and will be the principle competitors on this planet for as long as they remain 1-2 in the world. Therefore, there will be flare-ups here and there in all domains of human activities. That is not unlike situations between provinces, cities, local identities inside China.

The only people who want US and China to fight each other are non-American or non-Chinese. This is because that would be the only scenario that they would have a chance.

The only people who DO not want US and China in an all-out war are Americans and Chinese.

US behaves the way it has been because it has been the #1 power on this planet, similar to when China was the middle kingdom between the Qin dynasty and the Qing dynasty. Every hegemony in history behaves badly in the end, which is emblematic to the cyclical nature of human societies. If China goes on and goes back to #1 around 2050, it would again be upon China to decide how it behaves like #1. I guess, by then, every other human being on this planet will call out China in similar ways as they are doing to US.

Take it easy on making fun of US and China in war.
Ok, these comments make one’s brain hurt, the USA has spent the last 7 decades making the lives of the Chinese miserable (or at least they are still trying to despite how much they suck right now at doing so) and has the bloody tendency to never apologies for the harm done due to having the entitled sense to think that due to God blessing America that they can basically invade other nations and continue to bomb the hell out of everyone because they can and only due to the Chinese people having balls of steel that the USA doesn’t have the guts to try the same on Chinas mainland (I mean seriously, anyone knows that if Chinas weak like during end of the Qing dynasty, the USA would do to China like they did to Afghanistan in a heartbeat). So really China should extend the same courtesy, when the USA is as weak as China was during the Qing dynasty, China should return the favor and return it hard along side Russia and all of the Global south that the USA has wronged and continued to wrong to ensure that the USA cannot continue its hegemonic bullshit ever again and if it means taking away there weapons and the ability to make them by force, then well God willing, so be it. This nonsense about the USA not being the enemy will remain nonsense forever and only once the USA learns humility and actually has the heart to apologies for all its wrong doing ( which the Bible itself preaches yet the USA never dares to emulate due to simply being evil as a collective) can China learn to consider the USA as a nation that is starting to have something resembling humanity. I mean the only way that the USA learn is to knee cap the nation multiple times until they learn the simple truth that invading other nations and continuing to bad mouth them while under the protection of its so called media kinda makes the victim want to return the favor with interest and not stop
until they learn the basics in regards to STFU about these so called human rights when they never even practice the bloody term
 
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Ok, these comments make one’s brain hurt, the USA has spent the last 7 decades making the lives to China miserable and has the bloody tendency to never apologies due to having the entitled sense to thing that due to God blessing America that they can basically invade other nations and continue to bomb the hell out of everyone because they can and only due to the Chinese people having balls of steel that the USA doesn’t have the guts to try the same on Chinas mainland (I mean seriously, anyone knows that if Chinas week like the end of the Qing dynasty, the USA would do to China like they did to Afghanistan in a heartbeat). So really China should extend the same courtesy, when the USA is as week as China was during the Qing dynasty, China should return the favor and return it hard along side Russia and all of the Global south that the USA has wronged and continued to wrong to ensure that the USA cannot continue its hegemonic bullshit ever again and if it means taking away there weapons and the ability to make them by force, then we’ll God willing, so be it. This nonsense about the USA not being the enemy will remain nonsense
Back in 2018 before Trump did started the series of escalating Huawei bans, I was working as a network admin for a trucking company called Lonestar in Texas... their new IT director was a White South African guy who looked like an older version of Serpenzta and basically just got canned from Fedex and but was able to sell himself like Elon sells Teslas and got the role at the trucking company... he hired me to get rid of the senior network guy that wanted his chair....

Anyway, this was before trade war and tech bans really got heated and Lenovo was still trying to expand and compete against the likes of Dell and HP in the server space in US. So they were going to use us as a reference site , the director gets to tout his costs savings and just had to write a glowing review and all was happy...

One day in the early monday IT meetings the Director was asking recommendations on new Switches and Routers for our new datacenter (this guy didnt know his shit) and I joked/blurted out we should go with Huawei ones...

Immediately this 400 pound morbid obese white guy who wasnt even doing networking but an old AS400 rpg programmer blurted out that he wasnt going to allow it because "they are the enemy"... and that if IT director went with Chinese network hardware he was going to take it up to Tex our CEO.

I was shocked because instead of the usual parroting of allegations of backdoors, spying, etc etc this guy went straight to construing Huawei as equal to China and China as enemy of United States...

Having grown up here, especially after covid and now the escalations with Tiawan, I think most Americans already consider China and Chinese as the central threat and greatest enemy to their prestige and standing in the world and to their lifestyle and way of life.
 

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Back in 2018 before Trump did started the series of escalating Huawei bans, I was working as a network admin for a trucking company called Lonestar in Texas... their new IT director was a White South African guy who looked like an older version of Serpenzta and basically just got canned from Fedex and but was able to sell himself like Elon sells Teslas and got the role at the trucking company... he hired me to get rid of the senior network guy that wanted his chair....

Anyway, this was before trade war and tech bans really got heated and Lenovo was still trying to expand and compete against the likes of Dell and HP in the server space in US. So they were going to use us as a reference site , the director gets to tout his costs savings and just had to write a glowing review and all was happy...

One day in the early monday IT meetings the Director was asking recommendations on new Switches and Routers for our new datacenter (this guy didnt know his shit) and I joked/blurted out we should go with Huawei ones...

Immediately this 400 pound morbid obese white guy who wasnt even doing networking but an old AS400 rpg programmer blurted out that he wasnt going to allow it because "they are the enemy"... and that if IT director went with Chinese network hardware he was going to take it up to Tex our CEO.

I was shocked because instead of the usual parroting of allegations of backdoors, spying, etc etc this guy went straight to construing Huawei as equal to China and China as enemy of United States...

Having grown up here, especially after covid and now the escalations with Tiawan, I think most Americans already consider China and Chinese as the central threat and greatest enemy to their prestige and standing in the world and to their lifestyle and way of life.
Thus these people claiming that Trump is somehow a good president compared to Biden is a load of it. The only reason one can support trump over Biden is the simple fact that his presence will have to undermine the USA more easily due to his inability to put forth a policy without thinking about the consequences which ultimately prove good for everyone else but the USA. All this man has done for me is cement my honest belief that the USA is out to destroy China only that this time, they will live to regret their stupid attempts for even trying to do this because damn hell, what kind of insane arrogance does one have in pissing of Russia, China, Iran and North Korea (all nations with nukes) at the same time and give them legitimate reason to want to give them that long await boot to the ass. It’s like the heavens itself has finally gotten sick of these fat heads and has decided to slowly but surely put them into position to make them go out like a bit&h
 
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9dashline

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Thus these people claiming that Trump is somehow a good president compared to Biden is a load of it. The only reason one can support trump over Biden is the simple fact that his presence will have to undermine the USA more easily due to his inability to put forth a policy without thinking about the consequences which ultimately prove good for everyone else but the USA
Not to mention Trump kidnapped Huawei CFO the CEO daughter and announced it while he was having dinner with Xi... this is Apprentice style in your face type of shenanigans

So Im not feeling sorry for whats happening to him right now at all... only wishing this infighting was 100x more intense since that would be a beautiful sight to quote Pelosi
 
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