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Coalescence

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Japanese has been led to believe that they're not "Asian" but rather a proud member of the "White western civilized countries" I mean how else can you explain their actions, pronunciations, with respect to their intent on increasing the tension with China and therefore within the whole of Asia? The Philippines at least has an excuse being that the country is still developing, was colonized by the U.S. and by Spain prior for over 300 years. And judging by their newly elected President is more than willing to extend an olive branch to China with it's recent key personnel hirings from his National Security Advisor to his public pronouncements and this despite being under the umbrella and protection of their key defense treaty ally the U.S.

What's Japanese excuse? Envy? Jealousy? Insecurity? For what? And why? I have never read, seen, or heard that PRC under the leadership of the CPC made utterances past or present made any threatening remarks against Japan, has desire to take over that country out of revenge or geopolitical rationale.

Japanese leaders do need to have their heads checked for sanity because their idiotic desire to contain China which means bring harm to Chinese people by way of economic hardships will mean unfortunate calamity to Japan. China and the CPC have tried to move on and look forward to a better tomorrow but these losers seem hell bent on re-litigating past conflicts.
I recall reading somewhere where a former prime minster of Japan who resigned early explained that Japan have to get permission and evaluation from the US before they can pass any laws or bills. If its true, then their actions can be simply explained by them being a colony/vassal of US. But I'd like to put the blame on their leaders being old boomers who wants to relive the "good ol' times" lol
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Not really, Japan was primarily defeated by China and the US during WW2. USSR and Imperial Japan were rather passive against eachother during most of the WW2 as the USSR at first was afraid of two front war, especially from its weakly guarded Far Eastern belly, and Japan did not want to open up another front due to getting bogged down in China, South East Asia, and (after some time) the Pacific. Prior to that, the only open hostility was the Russo-Japanese war which Japan won and that was a rather humiliating event for Russia as it was trying to project the image of the strongest & largest military in Europe but then the war exposed a lot of problems in the Russian military, especially the navy which got demolished by Japanese navy, and the poorly trained seamen almost started a war with Britain by misfiring at a British ship, lol. The 1905 war is actually regarded as one of the many pebbles that eventually led to collapse of Russian Empire.
Am talking about the battle in 1939 called the battle of Khalkin Gol, and the Liberation War of 1945 both battles resulted in Soviet victory. It has been argued that the Soviet invasion of Japan was the reason Japan surrendered to the Americans this despite they were nuked 2x by their eventual conqueror. This scenario should provide us a clearer picture that Japanese fear of Soviet Russia was greater than being under the thumb of America all things considered.
 

emblem21

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Which is why Russia coming out as victorious on this current war with U.S./NATO using Ukraine as it's proxy must succeed because if Russia fails and collapse it isn't unlikely that Putin and his acolytes will be replaced by a pro-western interests, placing China in the most delicate position being surrounded by enemies from all direction.

So the maxim of the enemy of my enemy is my friend aptly applies to China's current predicament. We can't pretend that China must absolve or wash itself away from the Russians because China is some sort of super benevolent peace loving country or that Russia had caused historical great damage to China as some of our esteemed members on this forum have purposely argued.

We ought to really ask this question: is the world that has been conquered, shaped, and led by the white western countries prepared to live in a world where thr predominant power is non-white, non-Christian, and Asian? A race that's been historically demeaned, devalued, and characterized as both weak, and inferior? We can see and observe from countries in Europe that even if they largely disagree with American way of doing things geopolitically, distaste the American culture, way of thinking etc..they are more than willing to overlook all of those negatives because their dislike of Asia, specifically China possibly lording over the civilized Europeans, Anglo-Saxon countries is a reality that must not come to pass; not in their lifetimes. Therefore, it has to be assumed the worst possible motivations from China's enemies, that no actions will be too despicable or too low for them not to consider doing or taking just to ensure that China and the rest of the Global South can't and must not rise.
I do agree and that the coming age will be determined by whether Russia and China can withstand or even put the USA in its place, should they succeed, this may end up becoming the century of humiliation for the USA and considering that the USA only really gained its super power status from a combination of luck and extreme foul play instead of genuine innovation like the Russians or even the sheer force of will like the Chinese, should the luck of the USA run out, it is likely that all of the long buried hatred that exists In The many nations that the USA has victimised from its creation until the present is going the spew forth and ensure that the rise of the USA from the ashes is going to be literal ‘American dream’ given that really has the USA ever been put into a position where they have to apologise for their past misdeeds. I am pretty sure almost every real Chinese person who knows how much pain the japanese have caused the Chinese people would want the Japanese to get on their hands and knees to beg for forgiveness for what happened in Nanjing unless they want to be given the thousand cut treatment and those in the know would also want the Americans to lose their wings so to speak for getting in China’s way in literally everything while making themselves out to be the victim like they always do
 
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xypher

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Am talking about the battle in 1939 called the battle of Khalkin Gol, and the Liberation War of 1945 both battles resulted in Soviet victory. It has been argued that the Soviet invasion of Japan was the reason Japan surrendered to the Americans this despite they were nuked 2x by their eventual conqueror. This scenario should provide us a clearer picture that Japanese fear of Soviet Russia was greater than being under the thumb of America all things considered.
I already talked about WW2, by 1945 Japan was already on the path to defeat. As for Khalkhin Gol, Soviet side had rather sufficient losses as well, so it is not clear-cut overwhelming victory and certainly not a blitz. The part about surrendering is more of a meme that was created to somewhat white-wash the US - Japan was just delusionally seeking the side that would allow them conditional surrender rather than the unconditional full surrender and they were actually hoping that Soviets would allow them that but the US obviously did not want to increase Soviet influence in the East Asia, hence nuked Japan and forced them to tap out unconditionally. So yes, Americans just nuked them because they did not want them to negotiate with Soviets, classic Murica.
 

xypher

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I do agree and that the coming age will be determined by whether Russia and China can withstand or even put the USA in its place, should they succeed, this may end up becoming the century of humiliation for the USA and considering that the USA only really gained its super power status from a combination of luck and extreme foul play instead of genuine innovation like the Russians or even the sheer force of will like the Chinese, should the luck of the USA run out, it is likely that all of the long buried hatred that exists In The many nations that the USA has victimised from its creation until the present is going the spew forth and ensure that the rise of the USA from the ashes is going to be literal ‘American dream’ given that really has the USA ever been put into a position where they have to apologise for their past misdeeds. I am pretty sure almost every real Chinese person would want the Japanese to get on their hands and knees to beg for forgiveness for what happened in Nanjing unless they want to be given the thousand cut treatment
Well, actually I disagree a bit - there was a lot of luck and great geographical position of the US that led to them becoming the ultimate superpower, sure, but you forget the part about vast resources, huge human capital (it is by far the largest Western country), and you cannot really disregard the American science & innovation, especially in the 20th century. A lot of the USSR tech base was built on American\European tech, so when Russians accuse Chinese of being copycats one can only laught at hypocrisy (same with Americans btw, as their tech expertise was built in the similar way as China is doing today).

As for Japanese, many Chinese actually simply asked them to apologize and stop honoring their war criminals but apparently they aren't even capable of that as they keep electing fascists and descendants of war criminals who continue their behavior. This is also the reason why SK and Japan also did not reconcile. Japanese far-right made them the ultimate US bitch because they have no allies in the region due to their own behavior. Maybe being a US pawn is their fetish.
 
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