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Phead128

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Since Article 5 extension to Sweden/Finland requires unanimious parliament ratification by all 30 member states, does this mean Turkey has a defacto veto?

Sounds to me Turkey is agitating publically to get major concessions from US, particularly over PKK, Kurds, F-35s and other frictional issues. In reality, NATO wouldn't publically welcome Sweden/Finland if it did not already acquire unanimious consent privately beforehand.

Edit: The Turkish are as trustworthy as the Indians.
 
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Coalescence

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Since Article 5 extension to Sweden/Finland requires unanimious parliament ratification by all 30 member states, does this mean Turkey has a defacto veto?
If Turkey got what they wanted, there's still Hungary that needs to be persuaded. There's also the possibility of France, who may choose to veto in order to prevent escalation.
 

getready

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Poland has their gas storage almost full. They have an LNG terminal, and they will have a gas pipeline from Norway later this year supposedly.
But the thing is, the pipeline from Norway, is basically a tap on the pipeline from Norway to Germany. So they will be siphoning gas which would have gone to Germany basically. Robbing Peter to pay Paul. So, sure, Poland will supposedly become energy independent from Russia in terms of gas late this year. But at the cost of screwing Germany over on that front basically. And they will still have more expensive gas than they have today. Then there are the elephants in the room. Like the oil refinery the Poles have which refines Russian pipeline oil. Or the coal they import from Russia to generate electricity with.

Sure the Poles could import everything by sea, but that will require facilities and be more expensive. If the oil and LNG don't turn out to be Russian oil and LNG with a different label and forged origin papers anyway. I mean, like I said here before, would not be the first time "Norwegian LNG" turned out to be Russian one from Yamal. Norway can only produce so much gas and their production hasn't massively increased over the past decade and shouldn't increase next decade either.

Bulgaria has their gas storage near empty and decided to play Russian roulette by not paying for gas in rubles. They will supposedly get a pipeline to a hub in Greece later this year. The Greek hub supposedly has connections to an LNG terminal (already booked) and the TAP pipeline (gas already sold). The connection is supposed to happen after the storage will be empty. So, yeah, they are really in the dumps.
Then again the Bulgarian Prime Minister is an obvious US transplant, degrees from Canada and US with Canadian citizenship, so what else should be expected.
OK thanks, thats explains alot.
 

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Since Article 5 extension to Sweden/Finland requires unanimious parliament ratification by all 30 member states, does this mean Turkey has a defacto veto?

Sounds to me Turkey is agitating publically to get major concessions from US, particularly over PKK, Kurds, F-35s and other frictional issues. In reality, NATO wouldn't publically welcome Sweden/Finland if it did not already acquire unanimious consent privately beforehand.

Edit: The Turkish are as trustworthy as the Indians.

LOL... when the Turks' two-faced slimey nature works for the benefit of humanity.
 

MortyandRick

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It seems we will have a lot more spy ship visits to the Australian coast.
Freedom of navigation b*tches! When the US and west do it's it's ok, but when someone has the power to do it back to them it's suddenly a threat? These hypocritical cry babies can cry about it some more. China should continue doing it and with more ships.
 

Andy1974

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It seems we will have a lot more spy ship visits to the Australian coast.

It is fantastic far-sea training against an expected opponent. There are also at least 2 Type 071s that have been in the area recently, one of them went to the Solomon Islands I believe.

I think China will continue these patrols and exercises as part of its response to the AUKUS agreement (which is more than subs, also cyber, AI and intel).

I’d like to see China helping Indonesia build a practical ASW capability to track what could be a busy submarine transit area all along their southern coasts.

Selling those small SSKs we have recently seen as well as frigates and ASW helicopters/drones to Indonesia might be interesting for Australia.

China could reduce the price of these assets in return for sensor data sharing, and could provide technolgy transfer to ensure no western alternatives can compete.
 

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Since Article 5 extension to Sweden/Finland requires unanimious parliament ratification by all 30 member states, does this mean Turkey has a defacto veto?

Sounds to me Turkey is agitating publically to get major concessions from US, particularly over PKK, Kurds, F-35s and other frictional issues. In reality, NATO wouldn't publically welcome Sweden/Finland if it did not already acquire unanimious consent privately beforehand.

Edit: The Turkish are as trustworthy as the Indians.
Apparently it has to be unanimous. Then again NATO is just an American creation, it's not like the EU. They are legally defined as the senior partner and can change the admission rules to whatever they want. If they really wanted Finland in, there won't be a legal obstacle.

This could just be America using a puppet state to stop Finland joining. Just like when they want a resolution in the UN they get a middle eastern or African puppet to ask for it.

The fact that the UK suddenly made their own alliance with Sweden and Finland tells me Americans don't really want them to join NATO. Why make a unilateral alliance if they are going to join NATO anyway?

My opinion of both Turks and Indians have changed because of this war. At least you can bargain with Indians.
 
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pmc

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LOL... when the Turks' two-faced slimey nature works for the benefit of humanity.
hehe again boxed in cage like in Syria cannot move forward or backward. TB-2 videos is not making impression enough on Europeans. Erdogan is jealous with all that big monetary announcements in favor of Ukraine and practically nothing for Turkey. not even a hint of EU membership. how much he like EU membership.
Turkey major export earnings in Euros that has depreciated while its major imports like Food grains/energy are dollar based. ECB cannot print food and he may have to purchase food grains from other Muslims or even India.

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