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nugroho

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windsclouds2030 said:
Your explanation is one of the major causes! This matter is considered a classic issue often raised by some Chinese descents complained that mainland China could not help or even so helpless amidst the mass killings etc during the intense Cold War era... those folks could not understand the actual conditions of China at that time, and its strength relative to the adversaries esp. the nonexistent Chinese naval force back then.

But an even much more significant explanation concerning those periods is China was still WEAK AND POOR. Being WEAK & POOR with very limited resources incl. the available ships explained lots of things. Expecting a poor and weak nation to come over to overseas to help... well, there were some, but of course the efforts were naturally limited. WEAK & POOR explained everything! If any one wanna blame, blame it to the "Century of Humiliation", blame it why the minority ruler of Qing dynasty were not blind to ignore rejuvenation and industrialization thus became so weak and easy prey... with very severe consequences carried over centuries later...

One day if China has been operating at least four carrier fleets of class 003 or higher in full combat mode, see if such blatant massacre still happens. Forget not that most of such cases involved the dirty hands of the USA, thus China must always calculate the US strength around. If a nation is still weak and poor, how can it help others in oversea areas???
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Agree. But NOW, is China still a weak and poor nation?
windsclouds2030 said:
One particular case like the recent one in Solomon Island, how could one expect China to interfere militarily, or even sent civilian ships to help? It is Solomon govt obligation to provide safety to its people incl those Solomon citizens of Chinese descent; if the legitimate central govt were not capable then asked the UN help then UN Peacekeeping Force can be deployed... that's the right procedure, and in that situation China may help.
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Asking UN peacekeeping show the weakness of the government, only a few governments in the world ask UN peacekeeping for their internal problems. And usually, many government officials/military are involved, so they won't ask UN.
windsclouds2030 said:
One suggestion, the Chinese community there must organize themselves to protect their own interests; how can have a Chinatown without some organized power or association to protect itself? At least they can pay a group of mercenary/thugs to protect the venue from the gang violence, organized or not?
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Are you suggesting they form a kind of "triad " ? Don't agree with your suggestion, sorry

When a massacre happened, people only think of their lives, no need for delicious food, no need for luxury apartments, they only need their lives saved, and it matters in a blink of eye, so asking UN for help is almost useless.
 
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pmc said:
TSMC has some talent in some fields that will be replaced in West and Russia. TSMC fully depended on Jews/Russian working in Germany and US.
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Funny fairy tale. If TSMC is going to get replaced by Russia, why mighty Russia has to pay a premium (with salaries up to $20k per month) for
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? These Taiwanese specialists are also going to teach the Russian engineers. But sure, Russia will soon replace TSMC and their "some" talent using the "superior white genetics". Is that what you are really trying to say, my lil white supremacist? Very typical Russian talking point.

Also, provide the citation on "fully dependent on Jews/Russians working in X" - share the percentages of Russians & Jews working in the likes of ASML, Zeiss, etc., seems that you have that information. Oh, another fun fact - the staple of modern semiconductors (MOSFET) was developed by Korean & Egyptian dudes.
Do you know how many trillions US spend in Middleast due to USSR? start with 1956 Suez crises. and Trillions in Oil embargoes/ Camp David treaties.
You dont even realize the full force of West on one side.
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USSR spent 8-9% of its GDP on military expenses. The US was spending far less in relation to its GDP, not much more than they do today.
Its Euro 6 standards that are exported as only Russia have the surplus.
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Oh, so having a surplus of it now means that the fuel is unique and sophisticated? Lol.
 
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nugroho

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taxiya said:
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That was the Indonesian government's position, but was that the position of many Indonesian Chinese at that time? I highly doubt. Even well into 1990s after 20 years of US recognizing PRC, lots of Chinese communities in the US still regard ROC as China, refusing PRC (meaning it does not exist). How could these kind of people request and get help from an entity that don't exist in their mind?
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I answer you
Of course that kind of people did not eligible to request and get help from PRC,
Now I am asking you
How about pro-PRC communities at that time, can they request and get helped ?
 
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pmc

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xypher said:
Funny fairy tale. If TSMC is going to get replaced by Russia, why mighty Russia has to pay a premium (with salaries up to $20k per month) for
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? These Taiwanese specialists are also going to teach the Russian engineers. But sure, Russia will soon replace TSMC and their "some" talent using the "superior white genetics". Is that what you are really trying to say, my lil white supremacist? Very typical Russian talking point.

Also, provide the citation on "fully dependent on Jews/Russians working in X" - share the percentages of Russians & Jews working in the likes of ASML, Zeiss, etc., seems that you have that information. Oh, another fun fact - the staple of modern semiconductors (MOSFET) was developed by Korean & Egyptian dudes.
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Practically every one that matter. starting from fundamental research.
xypher said:
USSR spent 8-9% of its GDP on military expenses. The US was spending far less in relation to its GDP, not much more than they do today.
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It is not about GDP but ideological competitors. USSR has allies that believe in it thats why US has to spend so huge amount of manpower and financial resources to fight it.
India/Bangladesh/Vietnam/Indonesia/Japan/Korea and anyone with half decent education are fully committed to West.
Asian labor supply will not decrease to West.
China does not have ideological allies, so how can it become a threat?
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Oh, so having a surplus of it now means that the fuel is unique and sophisticated? Lol.
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yup Euro 6 refineries are cheap to built. countries in Europe will not be even able to afford electricity supplies to refineries.
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tygyg1111

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pmc said:
Practically every one that matter. starting from fundamental research.

It is not about GDP but ideological competitors. USSR has allies that believe in it thats why US has to spend so huge amount of manpower and financial resources to fight it.
India/Bangladesh/Vietnam/Indonesia/Japan/Korea and anyone with half decent education are fully committed to West.
Asian labor supply will not decrease to West.
China does not have ideological allies, so how can it become a threat?

yup Euro 6 refineries are cheap to built. countries in Europe will not be even able to afford electricity supplies to refineries.
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Because it's not about ideology, ideology matters stuff all when facing superior or soon to be superior national strength.
When your economy is several times larger, when your military is several times stronger, when you are technologically independent of them but they are technologically dependent on you, ideology is just a sweetener / excuse to align with your cause. Or a last ditch attempt to stop others from joining the other guy (see: USA "like minded democracies").

Case in point - Singapore / ASEAN neutrality re: China's actual moves in SEA, Serbian 'love' of China

If you still think ideology matters then you are as deluded as those people living across the Atlantic
 
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xypher said:
USSR spent 8-9% of its GDP on military expenses. The US was spending far less in relation to its GDP, not much more than they do today.
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That is not accurate

The numbers I've seen suggest that the USSR was spending 15% of GDP on the military during the 1980s

During the Cold War, the numbers I've seen show the US was spending twice as much as the 3.5% today
 
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nugroho said:
Agree. But NOW, is China still a weak and poor nation?

Asking UN peacekeeping show the weakness of the government, only a few governments in the world ask UN peacekeeping for their internal problems. And usually, many government officials/military are involved, so they won't ask UN.

Are you suggesting they form a kind of "triad " ? Don't agree with your suggestion, sorry

When a massacre happened, people only think of their lives, no need for delicious food, no need for luxury apartments, they only need their lives saved, and it matters in a blink of eye, so asking UN for help is almost useless.
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True. But is there any mass mass killings like what once happened in IDN in 1965–66 during the Cold War instigated regime change? Response should be proportional to the scale. Present days there is nothing like that, if anything, it's more like a skirmish than a battle.
 
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emblem21 said:

With the current situation happening in the west coast, I am curious as to whether this will lead to something actually happening. If the earthquakes strike home on a save above 9, one can imagine how difficult it will be for the USA to fight Russia and China when the west coast is underwater. Again no one in Washington seems to care nowadays
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Oregon earthquake: US state on red alert as swarm of 50 tremors strikes off west coast (2021/12/08)

OREGON was put on red alert today after a swarm of more than 50 earthquakes struck just off the US west coast.

The tremors, which began early on Tuesday local time and continued into Wednesday, were detected some 200 miles (~322 km) from Newport on Oregon's central coast. Experts with the US Geological Survey (USGS) said they ranged in intensity between magnitude 3.5 and 5.8. The earthquakes erupted along one of the US's busiest fault lines - fractures in the Earth's crust where rocks on either side have slid past each other.

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Overbom said:
Lol at the EU. Their WTO lawsuit will forever wait behind China's lawsuit against the US for the trade war

They can wait until the US unblock the court process at the WTO (ie. never)
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The Chinese retaliative measure is a national security issue since Lit threatened China's sovereign integrity, so this matter is outside of WTO jurisdiction.
 
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