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Air Force Brat

Air Force Brat

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delft said:
If the opposition succeeds in making Hong Kong ungovernable its position as Special Administrative Region will have to be abrogated early.
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Heh! Heh! Heh! poor people of Hong Kong, when you have to laugh, so you don't cry, its hard to put freedom back in a bottle Master Delft, and sadly, in spite of China's "lip service" about two govts? Never gonna happen, and increasingly we are seeing China make more aggressive moves around the region, as they take what is "theirs"???

Very bad Ju-Ju, and worse Karma, for those of you who believe such things?

So for all the yack and talk about how bad the West is??? and it does get tiresome, people are NOT breaking the door down to get into those places where they are subjugated to an all powerful Govt.

I really can't begin to tell you how sorrowful this feels to me personally, as more and more people around the globe give up their freedom to the "Nanny State" here, I wish they could spend a month in one of these countries where citizens are "wards of the state"??? then they would appreciate what they have been gifted through the blood, sweat, and tears of patriots.
 
Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

General
Jul 21, 2016
kwaigonegin said:
I'm not sure what's you're getting it Jura. My statements are not contradictory. It could still very well be a false flag. But I do not have the hindsight of a crystal ball so I'm of course speculating based on what I know.
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US Commander Campbell: The man behind the failed coup in Turkey
The organizer and financial distributor of the coup attempt turns out to be an ISAF ex- US commander, investigation reveals
A former U.S. commander of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), a NATO-led security mission in Afghanistan, was the organizer of the July 15 military coup attempt in Turkey, sources said.

General John F. Campbell was one of the top figures who organized and managed the soldiers behind the failed coup attempt in Turkey, sources close to ongoing legal process of pro-coup detainees said.

Campbell also managed more than $2 billion money transactions via UBA Bank in Nigeria by using CIA links to distribute among the pro-coup military personnel in Turkey.

The ongoing investigation unveiled that Campbell had paid at least two secret visits to Turkey since May, until the day of the coup attempt.

The coup plot that was foiled by the comprehensive effort of Turkish Nation, including its citizens, politicians, media and police forces, was organized by the Fethullah Terrorist Organization (FETO) led-by so-called cleric Fethullah Gülen who has been living in self-exile in America for several years.

American Intelligence, Military and other institutions are accused of supporting the FETO leader Gülen and his gangs for the military coup.

Military sources said Campbell, who was the commander of ISAF between August 26, 2014 and May 1, 2016, had made some top secret meetings in Erzurum military base and Adana İnicrlik Airbase.

İncirlik Airbase has been used by the U.S. Military for conducting the anti-Daesh campaign in Syria.

Military sources said that Campbell was the man, who directed the process of trending / blacklisting the military officers in the base.

If the coup attempt was successful, Campbell would visit Turkey in a short time, according to the sources.

Transition of $2 billion from Nigeria to Turkey

The Nigeria branch of the United Bank of Africa (UBA) was the main base for the last six-months of money transactions for the coup plotters.

Millions of dollars of money has been transferred from Nigeria to Turkey by a group of CIA personnel.

The money, which has been distributed to an 80-person special team of the CIA, was used to convince pro-coup generals.

More than 2 billion dollars were distributed during the process leading to the coup.

After taking money from their bank accounts, the CIA team hand delivered it to the terrorists under the military dresses.

Categorizing the military officers

The sources said that some familiar figures in the Eastern and Southeastern part of the country had taken active roles during the process, while the members of the Gülenist gang have been used in central and eastern region.

All officers who command a group of soldiers in a patrol station, unit, company, regiment, brigade, division, corps, or army were kept in close surveillance.

In 2015, the pro-Gülenist officers in the İncirlik base established an investigation desk. They drew the map of all soldiers under their command. They investigated the soldiers' trends, their personalities and family background.

All soldiers were categorized in three groups: opponents, neutrals, and supporters.

A commander from the smallest patrol station to all military units had been blacklisted under the process.

Soldiers who were marked as opponents to the junta, was debarred from the “financial support.”

The military personnel who were in a neutral position received a difference in the amount of money, according to the importance of their position and ranks.

The money transactions were started in March 2015 through the commissioned “courier”.

The supports who also were categorized as “those who will move with us,” were provided a huge amount of money.

All soldiers and officers in this category were considered as the devoted members of the FETO terror group.

A bag with a large amount of money was found in the room of Brigadier General Mehmet Dişli, one of the top military officials detained for leading the coup attempt.
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vincent

vincent

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Air Force Brat said:
Heh! Heh! Heh! poor people of Hong Kong, when you have to laugh, so you don't cry, its hard to put freedom back in a bottle Master Delft, and sadly, in spite of China's "lip service" about two govts? Never gonna happen, and increasingly we are seeing China make more aggressive moves around the region, as they take what is "theirs"???

Very bad Ju-Ju, and worse Karma, for those of you who believe such things?

So for all the yack and talk about how bad the West is??? and it does get tiresome, people are NOT breaking the door down to get into those places where they are subjugated to an all powerful Govt.

I really can't begin to tell you how sorrowful this feels to me personally, as more and more people around the globe give up their freedom to the "Nanny State" here, I wish they could spend a month in one of these countries where citizens are "wards of the state"??? then they would appreciate what they have been gifted through the blood, sweat, and tears of patriots.
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Dude, you are exhibiting classic American fallacy: classifying the world into black and white and getting into things you don't understand. HK issue involve far far more than simple big bad ChiCom and freedom loving HKers. The issue probably involves more xenophobia and economic problems than "FREEDOM!"
 
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delft

Brigadier
Air Force Brat said:
Heh! Heh! Heh! poor people of Hong Kong, when you have to laugh, so you don't cry, its hard to put freedom back in a bottle Master Delft, and sadly, in spite of China's "lip service" about two govts? Never gonna happen, and increasingly we are seeing China make more aggressive moves around the region, as they take what is "theirs"???

Very bad Ju-Ju, and worse Karma, for those of you who believe such things?

So for all the yack and talk about how bad the West is??? and it does get tiresome, people are NOT breaking the door down to get into those places where they are subjugated to an all powerful Govt.

I really can't begin to tell you how sorrowful this feels to me personally, as more and more people around the globe give up their freedom to the "Nanny State" here, I wish they could spend a month in one of these countries where citizens are "wards of the state"??? then they would appreciate what they have been gifted through the blood, sweat, and tears of patriots.
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I don't understand. When a group of US states decided to defend their rights against an overbearing central government just more than 150 years ago they were disciplined and hundreds of thousands of men died. But when HK will be disciplined with little or no bloodshed it will be worse? It is not as if HK had ever a life of its own. It was a British colony and now it is part of China.
 
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Equation

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Air Force Brat said:
Heh! Heh! Heh! poor people of Hong Kong, when you have to laugh, so you don't cry, its hard to put freedom back in a bottle Master Delft, and sadly, in spite of China's "lip service" about two govts? Never gonna happen, and increasingly we are seeing China make more aggressive moves around the region, as they take what is "theirs"???

Very bad Ju-Ju, and worse Karma, for those of you who believe such things?

So for all the yack and talk about how bad the West is??? and it does get tiresome, people are NOT breaking the door down to get into those places where they are subjugated to an all powerful Govt.

I really can't begin to tell you how sorrowful this feels to me personally, as more and more people around the globe give up their freedom to the "Nanny State" here, I wish they could spend a month in one of these countries where citizens are "wards of the state"??? then they would appreciate what they have been gifted through the blood, sweat, and tears of patriots.
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Poor feeble minded people of religious institutional organizations always think that the entire world revolves around their beliefs and "faith". Sorry but China existed before that intolerant institution became popular in the West and will continue to exist AND SUCCEED without it. Freedom from religion seems to be rubbing the "believers" the wrong way. Is it because Communist China is showing, leading, and proving them ALL wrong? :rolleyes::D
 
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Lieutenant General
delft said:
If the opposition succeeds in making Hong Kong ungovernable its position as Special Administrative Region will have to be abrogated early.
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Hong Kong can do away with those small week foreign religious institution supported NGO independent parties is more like it. Actually it would be an opportunity to prove to the people how deceptive, evil, and unpatriotic they are. The majority of Hong Kongers had already seen how disruptive the "Umbrella Movement" groups are and now it's up to the will of the Chinese people to continue to stay vigilante and keep an eye on ALL of them.
 
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Janiz

Senior Member
Equation said:
The majority of Hong Kongers had already seen how disruptive the "Umbrella Movement" groups are and now it's up to the will of the Chinese people to continue to stay vigilante and keep an eye on ALL of them.
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Hong Koners don't feel Han and you can ask any of them and the answer will be the same. CPC's nightmare and the only reason why they're still sending Han people all over the continental China to become a stable 'majority'. This isn't the only place with the same feeling of strong city/region before country identification 'disorder'. People coming from biggest cities like Shanghai or Guangzhou have the same 'disorder'. Anyone knows that and that's the biggest threat to PRC.

Those who write that 'you can't understand China' are right in the same way that if you were born and rised in the 'West' you won't understand the term Homo sovieticus.
 
Equation

Equation

Lieutenant General
Janiz said:
Hong Koners don't feel Han and you can ask any of them and the answer will be the same. CPC's nightmare and the only reason why they're still sending Han people all over the continental China to become a stable 'majority'. This isn't the only place with the same feeling of strong city/region before country identification 'disorder'. People coming from biggest cities like Shanghai or Guangzhou have the same 'disorder'. Anyone knows that and that's the biggest threat to PRC.

Those who write that 'you can't understand China' are right in the same way that if you were born and rised in the 'West' you won't understand the term Homo sovieticus.
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And ALL Chinese don't felt "disorder" in any Chinese city they lived in....even in Hong Kong. Your response is a typical "oh no...the Han race is going to overwhelm us" exaggeration mentality. This has nothing to do with ethnic purity or local identity at ALL. It boils down to politics, the disorderly folks in HK are usually belongs in a certain religious institution who are too brain washed to understand the changing of the world today or even real history. Without this disorderly group of people the Western media and NGO will have NO other weapon to battle the CPC for them. That's why the media likes to blow things up out of proportion. My brother and his wife visited HK for the first time in their lives and they say it is a clean, modern, and beautiful big city they've ever been to and they didn't felt any disorderly from the locals at all.
 
AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
In June some Taiwanese started some Facebook page called "We're Sorry" making fun of how China is so sensitive and demands apologies all the time. Hong Kong activists joined in. Recently the movie Arrival had a poster where it depicted an alien object floating over a harbor where Shanghai (at least some of the iconic buildings) was on one side and Hong Kong on the other. Hong Kongers exploded with anger demanding an apology and a boycott of the movie. Yeah Hong Kongers can say they're not Chinese but that's the only difference. Just like rude tourist behavior where that stereotype was born from them. I remember Elton John went to Taiwan and because he didn't like the rude intrusiveness of the Taiwanese paparazzi, he called them out and the Taiwanese media insulted him and demanded an apologize and to leave Taiwan. Hong Kongers and Taiwanese are actually the worst examples of what they complain about Chinese.

No different from a situation regarding the Americans that stopped the terrorist attack on a French train. The American that got injured severely tackling the terrorist gets severely injured again later in his home city of Sacramento, California by a gang of Vietnamese. What did the Vietnamese community do? They tried to convince Americans they were Chinese not Vietnamese even after they were later arrested and identified. When they look bad they try to blame it on someone because they see Americans are that dumb. It's too much of a task to change their own peoples' behavior so just frame someone else.
 
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