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That's just your opinion?
And where is your certificate to back up your legal opinions? Do you retain people who are certified? Do you have deep enough pocket to be able to outlast the government in legal battles? When the answer to any of the above question is no, then your opinions essentially don't matter. See how even the legal protection you are supposed to have is being gate kept from you?

And after my previous reply to you, someone else shared a few Twitter posts, showing what I am telling you is aligned with what people driving the policies already have in mind:

The issue with your thinking and those on /r/localllama is the faulty assumption that psychopaths will behave reasonably. What I am telling you is my prediction on how psychopaths will actually behave.

Every U.S. legal expert has said this is virtually impossible to ban Chinese open source models.

Even our favorite Kyle Chan (famously anti-China) says it's not possible!

It's possible that Congress will try to ban it, but as every legal expert has said, it's nearly impossible to enforce and has legal/constitutional issues (violation of First Amendment which protects software code as protected speech).
I am talking about regulation on commercial activities. You are talking about total ban. We are not talking about the same thing.

What's going to happen is US gov't is going to say any commercial company involving federal contracts cannot use "Chinese models" hosted locally or using direct end-to-end API endpoints with China-based entities. You can fine tune a Chinese model into another American model, and easily skirt this and host it on American servers locally or American cloud. So basically they are screwed at the end of the day.
If you are already thinking of ways to skirt it, then you are essentially admitting that the US government can regulate. Whether you think this is justified or enforceable is altogether a separate discussion.

You and people on /r/localllama are acting all tough right now, but everyone will become the cheem on the right when they wake up one morning and aren't able to buy Chinese tokens through VISA.
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Unless people are content with using outdated models, going local won't work. Nobody aside from multi-millionaires could afford the hardware to run SOTA Chinese models, and it would likewise be super expensive hosting Chinese models on American clouds. If I were you, I would waste less time debating about something that I have no control over, and load up years worth of tokens with Chinese LLM providers instead.
 

hifisnow

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Skimming through those brainrot in X about Kimi/Moonshot reaffirms my opinion that most people in the free world lack the ability to comprehend that there are people wishing to satisfy themselves spiritually by achieving/contributing to something greater than oneself, that there is another world view. Not all people want to drug themselves with sex or substances or other degeneracies that are abundant in US.

It cringes me so hard when Americans masturbate by pretending everybody crawls to be inside US and the only possible reason that anybody leaves US has to be US don't want them. Either Visa or MAGA or something, the person leaving can not have any agency. It can not be.

The Qian Xuesen exemple often used by both the "left" and right in Internet vibe winology (Reddit/X) never mentions that Qian himself wanted to be "deported" and go back to China since 1948. US detains him for 5 years, only releasing him after he sending a letter through multiple middlemen to reach China and Chinese government demanded him.

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Lnk111229

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ive been seeing a lot of this sentiment on twitter, ever since Kimi killed any American dreams of being an AI superpower. But for real, the only way you can convince Chinese AI researchers or any Chinese ppl to throw their lot in with America is to make Chinese people as divine as what they are attempting to do with Jewish people. For instance, the current state is that any boycott or critique of Jewish ppl must be met with social and financial suicide, well I’d suggest the anglosphere (because it’s not just America) start off by giving money and funding to each Chinese person, the way the Australian federal gov did to Jewish ppl in the latest budget, and also make it a standing rule that if a Chinese person is bullied or murdered then 1,000 random men, women and children of each ethnic group must be put to death to convey the divinity of the Chinese people.
just in case it’s not immediately, obvious I am satirising the current western attempt at trying to create a new religion out of worshiping Jews.
Funny, my personal views is the majority of those Asian students in America/White countries is: smart/intelligence/immense will to learn new thing(but navie) or have good family wealth foundation or libtard already. Which means those Asian students is very easy to became fervent white worshipers who willing to die for their white master if America deepstate/ruling class have just a bit of competencies. Yet somehow those ruling idiots screw it up completely. Lol
 

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You are too focused on what the US could do without considering the costs and ramifications of it doing all that.

The most obvious and likely immediate business response to this kind of draconian regulatory efforts would be the TikTok-fixation of international companies with operations in the US where their parents either spin-off or sell-off their US operations to operate independently at arms length from the rest of their corporate interests. Which is the opposite of what US AI companies want and need, because having a walled garden is of no use if that garden is too small to sustain your needs. If US AI gets locked into its home market, then its dead and the only question left is how long the death spasms will last.

For the US to try to use long arm jurisdiction bullshit to pull the EU into its walled garden will either result in a trade war with the EU over it, or they drag the EU down with them if they succeed.
The regulation will come. The questions are just how and when.

I think part of the reasons why it is taking so long is because this time, the heads of America AI industry are the drivers, people with longer term thinking than the typical lawmakers. Thus, the points you raised are no doubt being considered, as they try to come up with a strategy with minimal blowback.
 

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allegedly XBat has end of 2026 for its first flight sched.
At Eurosatory 2026, we look at the X-BAT Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) by Shield AI. "Geeky," Director of X-BAT Campaigns in Europe, joins us to discuss this recently revealed AI-piloted, supersonic, Vertical Takeoff and Landing (VTOL) fighter jet. In this video, we take a closer look at how this platform is relevant for naval operations from ships and how the project is progressing, with the first flight scheduled for the end of 2026 in Kansas.

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L3Harris Technologies (NYSE: LHX) and Shield AI have completed the first flight test of the electromagnetic battle management ecosystem known as
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(DiSCO™) with Shield AI’s
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And where is your certificate to back up your legal opinions? Do you retain people who are certified? Do you have deep enough pocket to be able to outlast the government in legal battles? When the answer to any of the above question is no, then your opinions essentially don't matter. See how even the legal protection you are supposed to have is being gate kept from you?

And after my previous reply to you, someone else shared a few Twitter posts, showing what I am telling you is aligned with what people driving the policies already have in mind:


The issue with your thinking and those on /r/localllama is the faulty assumption that psychopaths will behave reasonably. What I am telling you is my prediction on how psychopaths will actually behave.


I am talking about regulation on commercial activities. You are talking about total ban. We are not talking about the same thing.


If you are already thinking of ways to skirt it, then you are essentially admitting that the US government can regulate. Whether you think this is justified or enforceable is altogether a separate discussion.

You and people on /r/localllama are acting all tough right now, but everyone will become the cheem on the right when they wake up one morning and aren't able to buy Chinese tokens through VISA.
48zd9h.jpg


Unless people are content with using outdated models, going local won't work. Nobody aside from multi-millionaires could afford the hardware to run SOTA Chinese models, and it would likewise be super expensive hosting Chinese models on American clouds. If I were you, I would waste less time debating about something that I have no control over, and load up years worth of tokens with Chinese LLM providers instead.
We don't argue for the sake of arguing. Yes, they can TRY to regulate, but what are the chances of success, technical barriers, and cost/ramifications which you totally ignore as @plawolf said.

I am saying EVEN if they do regulate, they will fail because the cost are high and technically unenforceable. We aren't even talking on the same plane. You are saying they will because they can, which isn't even an argument I am disputing and quite infantile to be frank. Saying they could try is just the first step, whether they succeed is another question entirely. See Tariffs got overturned by Supreme Court. $80 Billion refunds by US govt to US business because Trump lost in Supreme Court over tariffs. Tell me who can't win in courts again?

You can't beat the US govt in supreme court"

Nah, bro, you really can:
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plawolf

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This is an employee from Moonshot AI by the way. I guess Total AI Communism is true ey?

Meanwhile:

Why western elites hate and fear China’s rise. Before they get to hold back and gatekeep essential breakthroughs to maximise rent seeking for themselves. These days China will give the ‘forbidden fire’ to the rest of the world at reasonable cost, destroying their wet dream of getting to forever live off the hard work of others.

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