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BoraTas

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These posts make me think about how hard it was for the US to screw up and it still did. Very few countries in history could get the people of other countries see it as a natural authority and have an ideological attachment to it. And for the US, it was dozens of countries. For many people, the US was the ideal civilization (end of history argument etc) and was the arbiter of justice. It was all blown up in a single generation. The entire mythology around liberal democracy was invalidated for the sake of Israel.
 

Temstar

Brigadier
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These posts make me think about how hard it was for the US to screw up and it still did. Very few countries in history could get the people of other countries see it as a natural authority and have an ideological attachment to it. And for the US, it was dozens of countries. For many people, the US was the ideal civilization (end of history argument etc) and was the arbiter of justice. It was all blown up in a single generation. The entire mythology around liberal democracy was invalidated for the sake of Israel.
I guess you could say Trump is both USA's Brezhnev and Gorbachev. By the time he's done with America it will be filled with Luckin and Mixue.

Seriously what Trump is doing is pretty similar to Brezhnev's doctrine of Theory of Limited Sovereignty.
 

siegecrossbow

Field Marshall
Staff member
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These posts make me think about how hard it was for the US to screw up and it still did. Very few countries in history could get the people of other countries see it as a natural authority and have an ideological attachment to it. And for the US, it was dozens of countries. For many people, the US was the ideal civilization (end of history argument etc) and was the arbiter of justice. It was all blown up in a single generation. The entire mythology around liberal democracy was invalidated for the sake of Israel.

Joke’s on you. This is how Denmark will greet US president in 2026!

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tamsen_ikard

Captain
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As i I said, Iran can survive this by initiating Tiananmen 2.0. Complete crackdown on the protesters and labeling them as foreign traitors, which Khamenei just did in his speech.

Heavy crackdown and ideological rigidity will save Iran this time.


Iran's biggest weapon is the loyal IRGC which is kinda like the PLA, a force of the regime with political beliefs rather than a national armed force. With IRGC in firm control, and ready to shoot down all protests, they can stay in firm control.
 

A potato

Junior Member
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Gorbachev and numerous communist regimes collapsed while trying to reform and loosen up too much. The counter example of regimes that did survive are actually regimes who tightened up, massively. I am talking about China after Tiananmen and North Korea.

North Korea is an example of a country that under extreme sanction pressure and regime change pressure that still survived because went extreme with crackdowns and idelogical tightening. It made the country extremely insulated and tight when it comes to ideology. They clamped down so hard that despite people literally dying due to famine, there were no longer protests.

My impression of China after Tiananmen is also different from yours. Tiananmen was a clear color revolution attempt that wanted to topple the communist government and bring pro-western worshipping forces into power. Chinese government clearly defined those protesting and especially attacking the security forces as rioters. People were executed after June 4th. Many people were put to trial and executed. Some so called student leaders were put into bars and never allowed to get out again.

There was also a clear and permanent ideological tightening. China in the 80s was much looser in terms of what was allowed to discuss among the public compared to today. There were also thinking about doing reforms towards more democracy. But after Tiananmen there was a complete shutdown of all political reforms and that was never loosened ever again. All the so called liberals inside the party were either jailed, put into house arrest, or sidelined out of powerful positions. They were literally wiped out. There also economic tightening for a few years which only changed after Deng's 92 southern tour.


Overall, Totalitarian regimes can survive public unpopularity with extreme ideological rigidity and repression. I think Iran's regime has been too soft and loose so far and only got looser when faced with protest. The whole democracy game with allowing reformers to be elected was a clear failure. They can now only survive by going the opposite direction. Extreme repression and total ideological clampdown. They need to reorient their whole country towards patriotism and shia islamism. Essentially become the Iranian Taliban. Only with this level of crackdown they can survive the extreme economic sanctions from the west.

Will it make the country poorer? Sure, Will many of the so called liberals flee the country? They will try. Overall it will be bad for Iran as a country, but the only way Iran the Islamic Republic can survive.
I mean wasn't Hu Jintao somewhat pro western with the CCP at that team being somewhat westernized.
 

iewgnem

Captain
Registered Member
These posts make me think about how hard it was for the US to screw up and it still did. Very few countries in history could get the people of other countries see it as a natural authority and have an ideological attachment to it. And for the US, it was dozens of countries. For many people, the US was the ideal civilization (end of history argument etc) and was the arbiter of justice. It was all blown up in a single generation. The entire mythology around liberal democracy was invalidated for the sake of Israel.
Lets not get history involved, compared to basically every empire in history the entire span of peak US power from 1990 to 2015 is a blink. Even the Spanish Empire commanded global authority for longer...

US is a classic lottery winner that blew all their winnings in an instant because they never really earned it
 

_killuminati_

Captain
Registered Member

As i I said, Iran can survive this by initiating Tiananmen 2.0. Complete crackdown on the protesters and labeling them as foreign traitors, which Khamenei just did in his speech.

Heavy crackdown and ideological rigidity will save Iran this time.


Iran's biggest weapon is the loyal IRGC which is kinda like the PLA, a force of the regime with political beliefs rather than a national armed force. With IRGC in firm control, and ready to shoot down all protests, they can stay in firm control.
OSINTdefender is Israeli intel linked channel that spews the most propaganda and nonsense when it comes to Iran.
 
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