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han1289 said:
Japanese nuclearization is absolutely the worst thing that can happen to China. It removes the military option of hitting Japanese mainland off the table. It makes it so the "Japanese issue" will never be solved.

I would consider it a bigger failure of the CCP than Taiwan successfully declaring independence.
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It's absolutely not remotely close to the worst thing that can happen to China. Not even close.
 
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Phead128 said:
China captured more than 2000 sq km of Indian territory in Galwan
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. When China wins, it wins quietly, without bravado, and without flashy drama. China gained real territorial gains against India and it was super low key, if you have dramatic showmanship, we already passed the WW3 scenario if Chinese goes flashy. The Chinese way is low key and effective, not flashy and drama like US/West.
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Another 10,000 sqkm of those mountains wouldn't move the needle strategically. This victory is "quiet" because everyone knows its meaningless.

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Venezuela and Iran are not allies in traditional sense like North Korea, so why do you hold unrealistic expectations. China isn't going to sanction US over this.... just like US isn't going to sanction China over taking 2000 sq km of Indian territory in Galwan. Yet India is part of QUAD? Where is your outrage over US weakness over QUAD?
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I'm referring to all these world organizations that were gung-ho over Russia/Ukraine. The issue isn't China not sanctioning US over this, it's that the entire world will not take any action, besides some UN statements. It shows that we're past the point of "rules based order" and fully in the era of power politics. And the Chinese leadership, relying on measured approaches and developing quietly, is being caught off guard.
 
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bebops said:
I read an article last year saying China's true military budget was 700 billion.

The biggest gap they need to fix is the submarine and underwater warfare area. I think they are waiting for 095 and 095 before they start pumping it out like crazy. If it is almost here, then just wait for it.
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is not 700B, that number was popularized by a misread senator or something.

But is also definitely not whatever number china is giving out either
 
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han1289 said:
Japanese nuclearization is absolutely the worst thing that can happen to China. It removes the military option of hitting Japanese mainland off the table. It makes it so the "Japanese issue" will never be solved.

I would consider it a bigger failure of the CCP than Taiwan successfully declaring independence.
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Absolutely. And it also means the country whose heinous crimes China endured and which remain in the public consciousness in a very big way becomes the first and likely only former Axis country to go nuclear. That would be an insult no self-respecting Chinese person could face, and I would absolutely view the CPC with disgust if it were to happen.
 
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AssassinsMace said:
You notice none in the West that said China's economy was collapsing therefore China would then spark some international conflict to distract from its economic woes to its people are saying anything...?

The law averages are in play here. The more the US controls, the more it costs them. The only way the US can pay for it is by taking it away from someone else. You think the US will be able to keep all the people content when resources are finite? You see it in the US and you’ll see in all the countries the US invades and takes control.

You know what would’ve made the Venezuela situation blowback on Trump? American casualties. Not one US soldier was killed in the arrest of Nicolas Maduro. It’s true today… right now… the US is not able to take many casualties. When that happens, people will turn especially when it's not about defense.

They say China was caught off-guard during Trump’s first term when he started his trade war. That if Trump had implemented his “Liberation Day” tariffs back during his first term, China wouldn’t have been able to handle them like they’re doing now because Trump didn’t go all-in back then so China was able to prepare for it in his second term. If true, that’s sad for me to hear because that just tells me Beijing lived in LaLa land. It’s like dumb Asians who think they’re the exception for some reason that racism wouldn’t happen to them like it would for other Asians. It’s denial because they don’t want to believe it’s all about their race because then that would mean there was no chance they would like you. What would make the Chinese think the US would never do it?

That’s why countries around the world should not be second guessing if they should inflict as many US casualties as possible because that might make Americans angry and more mad. That’s the only thing that makes Americans think twice. I just saw a response to the report that the US would lose in war with China because China can swarm anti-ship missiles on US Navy ships saying that the US should use nukes if China does. We haven’t heard that threat before to anything that says the US will suffer a lot… That’s an acknowledgement that Americans are afraid of that and everyone should go for it.

The US sold weapons to Taiwan... China should sell weapons to any Western enemy who wants them. It's only fair. China's Lingkong Tianxing says its YKJ-1000 hypersonic missile can be made in any ordinary factory with materials it already has on hand. If true China should think about spreading it around because the only way to get Americans to think twice is if they suffer casualties and if you want the West to stay at home, because you know Europe is thinking of doing what the US is doing in South America to Africa and they definitely need to take from others what they don't have at home, the homeland has to be under threat that it can happen for them to think twice. It's a joke because if China did what the US is doing to Venezuela, the Western world would up in arms calling China a threat in trying to take over the world. The US has allies with militaries in Asia to counter China. That's probably why the Republicans think they can talk spheres of influence because China will not have a easier time like the US in Latin America. The US thinks it can sell weapons to China's enemies. China should sell weapons to the West's enemies all around the world.
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As I see it, China seems afraid to take action, because any upheaval will impact citizens who have only just emerged from poverty. The government needs a solvent and stable population. But if it starts pressuring the US on all fronts, as Mao once did, it lacks the will and lives too comfortably, fearing risks to the population and their well-being.
 
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