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plawolf

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China can promote globally that partnering with China can secure advanced weapon systems comparable to those of the Pakistan Air Force. Many small nations' leadership and populations remain entrenched in the illusory dream of American hegemony and liberal democracy. Relying solely on passive, measured statements will struggle to shatter these nations' American dream. China might instead take proactive steps, actively promoting the security solutions and ideological frameworks it can offer.

You are missing the whole way this game is played.

The overwhelming majority of countries on earth are just flip floppers geopolitically. They will prefer to stay independent, but will follow the prevailing currents of power and follow the dominant power if forced to choose a side.

But the thing is, these same countries are also all but irrelevant when it comes to the global great game irrespective of which side they pick. You think Venezuela under Maduro was going to send troops to fight for China in the event of a clash with America? Do you think Venezuela post-Maduro is going to send troops in support of America? And even if they did send some troops and stuff, how much would it actually matter? The same even applies to the EU and NATO. If China was already at war with America, can the EU contribute anything militarily that would actually make a real difference?

At the end of the day, when the chips are down and the missiles fly, it doesn’t matter who these little countries say they support, it’s which of the superpowers that can take and hold them that matters.

You are playing the game entirely wrong if you think force flipping these flip floppers individually is going to work or stick with some token application of military power. To make any gains really stick requires you to commit significant boots on the ground to hold those territories, even with genuine support of significant proportions if not outright majority of the local population. Why do you think the U.S. still maintains its military occupation forces in Europe, SK and Japan? Even in those heavily pro-US countries, there is a genuine risk that they will flip back to neutrality without the American military boot on their throats. Which goes back to the original point, you only own what you can hold.

China’s game is to win the economics contest such that all of the world will want to trade with China out of their own genuine self interests. It doesn’t need to force flip nations and peoples with military force because it can let economic gravity do the heavy lifting for it. It’s America who has lost the economic game who is now forced to resort to military force to coerce nations into acting against their own self interest.

China is also building up its own military might to not only be able to take the U.S. head on and win, but win so overwhelmingly that the US itself chickens out of the fight. That is the ultimate prize, to win world domination without needing to fight a world war.

Fighting America directly and winning a world war is actually the sorry consolation prize because of how much death and destruction that war will cost everyone.

China’s play might be more boring than the Hollywood fireworks show of America’s, but for the good of humanity, boring is best. The Romans didn’t use ‘may you live in interesting times’ as a curse for no reason. Anyone who has actually seen the brutal reality of war will never want to see that visited upon their own homelands, and that’s precisely what will happen to both China and America in the event of a direct full scale war, even if they managed to avoid going nuclear with such a fight by some miracle.
 

Racek49

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South American countries lack the grit to conduct asymmetric warfare in the face of an overwhelming disadvantage. In some sense, it was beaten out of them during the Cold War, as hardcore guerillas like Che Guevara and his band were hunted down & executed. But in another sense, there's just not a sufficiently powerful ideological force within South America to oppose American hegemony - they've more or less accepted it and have found a niche within it, with the eventual hope of a Latino demographic take-over of the US in place of any military resistance.

Contrast that with the Middle East, where despite being at even more of a disadvantage vs. Western militaries, Islamic insurgents were able to consistently pose a problem for the US military. Decades after the US began its campaign to "democratize" the Middle-East, we see the Taliban return to power in Afghanistan, and the rest of the US's "nation-building" projects descending into irrelevance. The shift to a more "use Arabs to fight Arabs" strategy, under Trump and Biden, was, in this sense, out of necessity - the US recognized that it couldn't just pull off a simple military victory.

South America is clearly not the Middle East, and expecting South Americans to fight like Arabs or even Iranians is just not practical. China's ability to guarantee security in the region is effectively zero. You can't seriously defend people who won't seriously defend themselves.
I don't know, maybe I'm blind, but many states in both Americas have sometimes resisted US domination and exploitation. There have been many coups, but few have lasted longer. Let's remember Panama, Chile, Brazil, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba! Mexico several times, probably everyone in history. I don't think they lacked the courage to resist, it's just that the US was too powerful and too close and the friends were too far away or didn't have enough strength. And let's remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, I was already taught in school to hide from nuclear explosions and poison gas. Of course, Khrushchev won then by bluffing... But that's another question.
 

ansy1968

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Just like the old imperial Spain days of serving overseas European elite interests at the expense of the local population. Just replacing direct imperial rule with neo-colonialist multi-national corporations and co-opting local elites. If endemic corruption and historical colonial hierarchy (esp. racial castes mindset) hold Venezuelans back, there is little China can do to change this.
I'm afraid that third and secondary generation Hua Qiao are following the footstep of Chinese mestizo, being coopt means easy money, just look at the recent flood control controversy, a lot of the perpetuators are Filipino Chinese.

An example is Eric Yap, whom I know having done business with him years ago.


The Court of Appeals (CA) issued a freeze order on assets of Benguet Representative
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, his brother ACT-CIS Rep.
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, and associated companies like Silverwolves Construction Corp. and
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, totaling billions of pesos, including bank accounts, properties, and aircraft, due to alleged involvement in anomalous Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) flood control projects in La Union, with the goal of preventing asset disposal and recovering public funds.
Key Details of the Freeze Order:
  • Entities Involved: Eric Yap, Edvic Yap, Silverwolves Construction Corp., Sky Yard Aviation Corp..
  • Assets Frozen: Around 280 bank accounts, securities accounts, insurance policies, helicopters, and other aircraft.
  • Reason: Alleged anomalies in flood control projects handled by Silverwolves Construction Corp., which saw over ₱16 billion in transactions from 2022-2025.
  • Announced By: President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. in December 2025.
  • Purpose: To prevent the disposal of suspected stolen funds and ensure recovery for the public.

Context:
  • The freeze order stems from investigations into questionable flood control projects, particularly in La Union.
  • Eric Yap previously owned Silverwolves but claimed to have divested years prior, though the Ombudsman stated he remained the beneficial owner.
 
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Ringsword

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I don't know, maybe I'm blind, but many states in both Americas have sometimes resisted US domination and exploitation. There have been many coups, but few have lasted longer. Let's remember Panama, Chile, Brazil, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba! Mexico several times, probably everyone in history. I don't think they lacked the courage to resist, it's just that the US was too powerful and too close and the friends were too far away or didn't have enough strength. And let's remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, I was already taught in school to hide from nuclear explosions and poison gas. Of course, Khrushchev won then by bluffing... But that's another question.
Long before Maduro and Mrs. was rousted and captured in their bedroom-the CIA and its agents inside the Venz. gov't had subverted all the key military defences ,turned off/sabotaged said Chinese radars ,etc.A lost cause and a demonstration of naked western gunboat piracy.
 
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GulfLander

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Venezuelans rallied in the crowded streets of downtown Caracas to show support for the government and demand the return of President Nicolás Maduro. CGTN correspondent Gladys Quesada brought the latest updates from Caracas, the capital city of Venezuela.
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Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said China opposes the use or threat of force in international relations and rejects the imposition of one country's will on another, commenting on the situation in Venezuela. He also called on the international community to firmly uphold the UN Charter and safeguard the bottom line of international morality. Wang made the remarks during the Seventh Round of China-Pakistan Foreign Ministers' Strategic Dialogue in Beijing on Sunday.
 
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