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burritocannon

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Do remember that the US was 35% of global GDP in 1970 and that 35% was heavy on industry and agriculture. Their leaders were also hardened WW2 veterans.

Today US GDP is around 25%, almost all of it is services, and their leaders are veterans of... well...
sorry what does that have to do with the venezuelan response? the us only needs to be able to beat the venezuelan defense and what im saying is that i don't expect venezuela to mount nearly as fervent a defense as the north vietnamese did. and yes its venezuela that really matters if we want to get into the whole 'vietnam scenario' which is that the us kicked down the door, but now can't get back out. its fairly obvious that the us can kick down the door regardless of how bad their numbers look. venezuela is not stopping that buildup in puerto rico.
just because both countries have jungles doesn't mean that the outcome is going to be the same, that is far too crude and superficial a view, bordering on cargocultism.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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sorry what does that have to do with the venezuelan response? the us only needs to be able to beat the venezuelan defense and what im saying is that i don't expect venezuela to mount nearly as fervent a defense as the north vietnamese did.
just because both countries have jungles doesn't mean that the outcome is going to be the same, that is far too crude and superficial a view, bordering on cargocultism.
Venezuela being beaten on the ground doesn't mean it will be profitable or even governable. It could turn into an even worse source of refugees and crime that drags down their capabilities and attention.
 

Racek49

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Unfortunately, Maduro has no hope at all. The army is weak, a few guerrillas mean nothing and conquering the jungle is not on the agenda. Perhaps later, when the Black Rocks prospectors etc. come. They can handle it.
And the US heroes win over defenseless regimes quite successfully, by bombing from 10 km, propaganda and plenty of local collaborators. And the Hispanos have long since lost the fighting spirit of the Conquistadors.
Of course, this does not apply to Asians (Vietnam), Russians or Afghans. They are not afraid of them.
 

tokenanalyst

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sorry what does that have to do with the venezuelan response? the us only needs to be able to beat the venezuelan defense and what im saying is that i don't expect venezuela to mount nearly as fervent a defense as the north vietnamese did.
just because both countries have jungles doesn't mean that the outcome is going to be the same, that is far too crude and superficial a view, bordering on cargocultism.
The same thinking the US had in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan before invading. The current Caracas government is not just Maduro, is an entire organization that runs from from the government in Caracas to rural communities leaders. All the sudden the invasion force could not only find themselves not only fighting the regular Venezuelan military and paramilitary but also men, women and even children in a irregular warfare in the unforgiving Venezuela terrain, grinding themselves for years to take control over the country. The advantage the US have in Venezuela is that this time is that supply chains are closer to home, not to close, but closer.
 

obj 705A

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Invasion of Venezuela appears to moving ahead. MAGA Admin declares they will discuss the invasion of Venezuela with Congress after the US invasion and occupation of Venezuela is completed.

Trump himself never said he will invade Venezuela. it's just this random twitter account, basically a nobody claiming that Trump is saying he will invade.
in the video Trump only said they may target the land after they target the sea. that could mean anything from strikes here or there against some random smugglers to more CIA activity.
in the article posted by this random twitter account. Trump also never said he will invade. instead he just refused to answer the question regarding whether he would invade or not.

"Wouldn’t it be a ridiculous question for me to answer?"

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as for the senators. senators talk all the time. some of them are hawks others are doves. however they are not the top dicision makers. heck I'm sure there are senators who say the US should help Taiwan become independent even if that leads to war with China. does that mean Trump will do it? no not necessarily.
 

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US military to deploy aircraft carrier to South America amid soaring tensions with Venezuela​

WASHINGTON, Oct 24 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump dramatically escalated a U.S. military buildup in the Caribbean on Friday by deploying the Gerald Ford aircraft carrier group to Latin America, a show of force that far exceeds any past counter-narcotics need and represents Washington’s most muscular move yet in the region.

The deployment is part of Trump's military buildup in the Caribbean, which includes eight additional warships, a nuclear submarine and F-35 aircraft. It is likely to raise concern in the region about the Trump administration's intent.

The deployment marks a significant escalation amid heightened tensions with Venezuela, whose government Washington has long accused of harboring drug traffickers and undermining democratic institutions.

"The enhanced U.S. force presence in the USSOUTHCOM AOR will bolster U.S. capacity to detect, monitor, and disrupt illicit actors and activities that compromise the safety and prosperity of the United States homeland and our security in the Western Hemisphere," Pentagon spokesperson Sean Parnell posted on X.

He did not specify when the carrier would be moving to the region, but as of a few days ago, the carrier was traveling via the Strait of Gibraltar and in Europe.

The Ford, which was commissioned in 2017, is the United States' newest aircraft carrier and the world's largest, with more than 5,000 sailors aboard.

The U.S. military has carried out 10 strikes against alleged drug vessels, mostly in the Caribbean, since early September, killing about 40 people. While the Pentagon has not given much information, it has said some of those killed were Venezuelan.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has repeatedly alleged that the U.S. is hoping to drive him from power.

On Thursday, Maduro warned that if the U.S. ever intervened in the country, "the working class would rise and a general insurrectional strike would be declared in the streets until power is regained," adding that "millions of men and women with rifles would march across the country."

Washington in August doubled its reward for information leading to Maduro's arrest to $50 million, accusing him of links to drug trafficking and criminal groups that Maduro denies.

Tensions between the United States and Venezuela's neighbor, Colombia, have also spiked in recent days, with Trump accusing Colombian President Gustavo Petro of being an "illegal drug leader" and a "bad guy" - language Petro's government says is offensive.

"These forces will enhance and augment existing capabilities to disrupt narcotics trafficking and degrade and dismantle (transnational criminal organizations)," Parnell said.

Trump has authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to conduct covert operations in Venezuela.

INCREASING MILITARY BUILDUP

Trump has said that his Republican administration plans to brief the U.S. Congress on operations against drug cartels and that even though he did not need a declaration of war, operations against cartels on land would be next.

On Friday, U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that the latest strike against an alleged drug vessel killed six suspected "narco-terrorists" in the Caribbean.

The strikes have raised alarms among some legal experts and Democratic lawmakers, who question whether they adhere to the laws of war.

Last week, Reuters was first to report that two alleged drug traffickers survived a U.S. military strike in the Caribbean. They were rescued and taken to a U.S. Navy warship before being repatriated to their home countries of Colombia and Ecuador.

With only 11 aircraft carriers in the U.S. military's arsenal, they are a scarce resource and their schedules are usually set well in advance.

Last year, the USS George Washington deployed to South America, but that was scheduled well in advance and was part of an exercise.

The Ford carrier, which includes a nuclear reactor, can hold more than 75 military aircraft, including fighter aircraft like the F-18 Super Hornet jets and the E-2 Hawkeye, which can act as an early warning system.
It has an arsenal of missiles, like the Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile, a medium-range, surface-to-air missile used to counter drones and aircraft.

The Ford also includes sophisticated radars that can help control air traffic and navigation.
The supporting ships, such as the Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser Normandy, Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyers Thomas Hudner, Ramage, Carney, and Roosevelt, include surface-to-air, surface-to-surface, and anti-submarine warfare capabilities.
but as of a few days ago, the carrier was traveling via the Strait of Gibraltar and in Europe.
 

burritocannon

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i dont take it at face value. when i look back at it, 'isolationism' was just the pretext for the shift to an overt extortion policy model. there was never any real us interest in genuine isolationism. why would there be? in for a penny, in for a pound, and the us was already 30 trillions in deep.
 
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