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burritocannon

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West is not perfect but it is a lot more open to people from different backgrounds than the East. Of course there will always be reasons for divisions, but IMO current white supremacist movement will die when Americans start feeling economic pain because of their incompetent leadership.
i think it can go both ways. while there are some genuinely xenophobic people who are just genetically coded to have a low threshold on conspecific recognition -- they just can't accept how you look -- i think most cases of xenophobia is a product of rationalization. desperate people will look to externalize as many risk factors as possible, and that's when you see scapegoating emerge. so economic pain may bifuricate american sentiment between more well-to-do upper middle class who are less impacted and can more clearly see the causal relationships, and a lower class that wants to make sure that they're not the one drawing the short straw. of course an additional factor will be opportunistic upper class that falls into line with trump because they clearly see less gain in rebellious efforts.
 

AndrewS

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West is not perfect but it is a lot more open to people from different backgrounds than the East. Of course there will always be reasons for divisions, but IMO current white supremacist movement will die when Americans start feeling economic pain because of their incompetent leadership.

I don't think that will be the case.

With more economic pain, immigrants and visible minorities will be blamed even more
 

A potato

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maybe, maybe not. i think westerners on the whole are a lot more sensitive to fomo. they really, really hate not being a part of the conversation regardless of whos talking. they'll throw a tantrum if other westerners are speaking in jargon they dont understand just the same.
The best example I can think of is the Beijing wall.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ArchitecturalRevival/comments/f55gvt https://www.reddit.com/r/Lost_Architecture/comments/kpfbnc
These fucking westerners try to lecture Chinese on demoliting the walls when they ignore the fact that they destroyed the walls themselves and Beijing was literally in ruins along with wall being already destroyed so it made no sense to preserve it when they needed to rebuild.
 

Expert1324

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We all know you want to drive a wedge between China and Russia, but have you seen that in the map the Crimea isn't drawn as russian territory?
NO! Stating historical facts and the atrocities and crimes done to Chinese people is fundamentally a moral right and a basic respect towards humanity, those statements should be rightfully said with ZERO pushbacks. Saying this is a wedge to relations is as ridiculous as saying Anti-Nazism is driving a wedge towards Germany and Japan, so people should just accept not being an Anti-Nazi if we want to be friends with them. That is absolutely bogus, any equal relations are formed on the basis of mutual respect towards history and human dignity, so why should our history and dignity be whitewash and denied for the basis of this relationship??? You know what is actually driving a wedge between China and Russia? that would be Russia itself:

1. the Russian government's constant alignment with India and doing things that harms the interest of China. ALSO the irrational distrust of Chinese people and jealousy towards the current development of China despite nothing to justify this, (even more ironic that historically they are the one whole stole from us, not the other way round, this is the typical 恶人先告状 guilty conscience). The Russian people will not tell you this straight away, but the general opinions of China and Chinese among Russian people already speak volumes (most are negative and full of distrust, projecting their imperialist nature on us, viewing our development as something malicious which are completely unfounded and showed their lack of self-awareness towards their own past. This yellow peril thinking just strengthens the idea that leopard never change its spots: they were once a colonial empire like the UK and US after all). I've seen this myself firsthand when interacting with Russians.

2. the Russian government as well as its people's constant whitewashing and denying the crimes and atrocities done towards Chinese people. This probably also stems from their education. Just literally talk to any REAL Russian person, or go to any Russian sites like Pikabu or VK, most Russian people straight up denied the massacres they had done against Chinese people (such as 1900 Anti-Chinese pogroms, Hailanpao Massacre, JiangDong sixty four villages Massacre, The burning of Aigun, participation in the eight-nation alliance etc. etc.) claiming that none of those ever happened, they also denied they stole land from China and instead stating that the unequal treaties such as Treaty of Aigun and Convention of Peking are just "Russians helping the Chinese to demarcate their borders" which is a complete revisionism of history, this is NO different from Japan ultra-rightwings completely denying their WW2 atrocities. Some even more twisted Russians even turned around and claimed that we stole their ZhenBao/"Damansky" island which is more than nonsensical. These are their true disgusting sentiments and if you guys talk to any real Russians or been on any Russian site, you will completely understand my anger! So please go ahead and open your eyes!

Also, Crimea situation is absolutely not comparable to South Tibet or other disputed regions, these kinds of disingenuous comparisons are only made by Russians and Anti-Chinese sinophobes alike. Those regions had been undisputedly Chinese for centuries, but were either invaded by foreign forces or propped up due to foreign infiltration. Meanwhile, even the most delusional Russian would tell you that Russia got Crimea by invading Ukraine, a country recognized as a sovereign nation even by Russia itself. (p.s. Whether this invasion is justified or not due to NATO expansionism is a completely different conversation to have, although frankly I would caution myself from giving full support to Russia considering that "protecting Russian speakers we settled there" had always been Russian traditional playbook for invasion, they used the same exact settler-colonialism tactics when they invaded Yili City and stole our Outer-Xinjiang regions such as the Lake Balkhash and greater Tian Shan region as well. As much as I hate NATO, I also cannot fully condone Russia's BS out of my conscience. This is a complex topic in itself.)

Your comment is the typical victim blaming type sentiment, which is a shame and a tight slap to the face of all the countless Chinese people who spilled blood at the hands of the evil Russian/USSR imperialist. Why should their cries be covered up for it not to be consider a "wedge" towards Russia??? Why could we not even bring to light the history where our people were bullied and massacred??? and in that case is this relationship still based on mutual respect and equality???

And conversely, why does Russia's present day geopolitical games and distrust against China, general yellow peril sentiments among Russian populations and officials, and the outright whitewashing, denial and revisionism of historic crimes against the Chinese people not considered a Russian "wedge" towards China relations??? Have you asked yourself that???

There should absolutely be no reason that one should not speak about historical facts. I will always be here to remind about the right facts and history of our people until the day when all the wrongs done to us had been righted. I do not care you are USA, Russia, "current political friends" or Foes, distorting history and having deep-rooted racist thinking behind our backs will never ever be tolerated by me. This is a fundamental principle.
 

Expert1324

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They were laughing at him because the audience agreed exactly with what he was saying.

It is a Chinese thing. Instead of applause, they going to laugh.

Everyone laughing in the audience had the exact same thoughts as Lee Kwan Yiu. Finally, someone had the guts to say it. Say it right in front of Patten's face. That is the way to do it. That is worth a laugh.

But, Lee Kwan Yiu was always saying it, bashing the white people and their attitudes.

It was like his usual punch-lines to the joke, which was transplanting Western beliefs.

Suppose you are a Chinese in Hong Kong, who do not like the white people, saw how democracy lead some places to ruin, then we have this guy Mr. Lee telling it like it is. You going to laugh!

The people cringing in that audience stayed quiet. LOL.

:p
Look, I really want to agree with you, and I very much agree that Chinese people do sometimes laugh out of agreement, but I sincerely doubt you are correct here.

Please remember that this is Hong Kongers we are talking about here, currently the most well-known white worshipping, self-hating and self-discriminatory bunch of Chinese people that ever existed on earth, always willingly act as western dogs and prawns.

The days of 1950s where HK famously produces iconic and PROUD Chinese patriots such as Bruce Lee were gone, 1990-2000s onwards were the start of the infamous era of HK cockroaches. If you asked me how everything there went to shit, well I have no fking idea. And btw I really hate cockroaches. Still remember last month I took a cockroach airline (CX), some white guy got priority boarding together with First Class passengers and skipped the whole line with the help of the airline staff, while everyone else got shouted to be in a more orderly line. Turns out the white guy was an economy passenger this whole time, I found out when I went to the lavatory and walked around and I saw him sitting in economy. Was really pissed at the white worshipping attitude and never want to board CX again. Seems like this mindset is still very much entrenched among HKers. I will never respect this bullshit. I didn't report this incident to the airline as I believed that nothing would be done, but on hindsight maybe I should have just complained anyways.

Also, I was also told that many HKers and TW frogs (although decreasing in numbers due to DPP incompetence) are also against LKY due to their western worshipping mindset. They even compared LKY to the vile japanese asset Lee teng hui, which is actually a much worst insult than comparing LKY to an animal. LKY is a god compared to that POS.
 

A potato

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Europe is a great example, because it isn't actually counter factual. Yes, Europe didn't unify the way China did, but that doesn't mean Europeans don't share an identity.

The reality is, they are far closer to each other (and to their colonies) than they are to any other group. Hence the existence of concepts like "white," "European," "Western," etc. When push comes to shove, Europe will tend to unify behind a common banner, and their assimilation processes work best with - and historically assumed - other Europeans. This is why the US called its feud with Russia a "family feud" but its feud with China a "conflict with an entirely [alien] civilization." It's also why European and American leaders are far more okay with being "border less" with other Europeans, than being "border less" with Indians, Africans, Mexicans, etc.

The nature of Western political correctness is that, in polite company, they don't say what they really think. But we all know what they really think. Once you remove the blinding light of liberal ideology, people are indeed quite similar in their common tribalism. Language, race, culture - these are the binding principles of identity. Even within boundaries of entities (like historical empires) that failed to respect these principles, the identities persisted, and in moments of political weakness, they'd rise to the surface in explosions of violence, civil strife, and political disintegration. We've seen it all before.
This unification is very loose at best because tensions still rise primarily in Balkans (aka powder keg of europe) and central europe (Good luck getting Slovaks and Romanians to like Hungarians). Don't forget Hungarians, Finnish and Estonians get memed as Mongols due to being Uralic-Finnic people who come from the urals aka mongolia according to the eurotards.
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A slovak meme form a HOI4 mod.
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I also forget that in Switzerland they hate the EU migration scheme because they're to many foreigners despite being culturally and linguistically identical to the first 3 flags on the list.
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