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IMO if the Iran situation is limited to an air war, China should not get involved, even if the US joins in. Without boots on the ground, whatever government Iran ends up with and whatever shape it ends up in, it'll likely be more dependent on China.
If a ground invasion is being prepared, however, I think China does need to get involved. In the event of AR, I don't see the US coming near Chinese shores to try to contest the seas around TW, but rather attempt an embargo farther away in the IOR from Malacca to the ME and shores of Africa. To break that, China would need to "port hop", from Cambodia to Myanmar to Pakistan to ultimately IMO Iran. Land routes would also be established to those ports, and obviously that would be rather difficult if there are tens of thousands of American troops in Iran. As such, at first sign of a ground invasion, China should start building up assets in Afghanistan and Pakistan, to provide multiple routes of deployment into Iran.
The end goal should be a political solution, Iran promising to give up its nuclear program in exchange for Chinese guarantee of security. It should at least ostensibly satisfy all parties' needs, but certainly not everyone's wants. For Israel, the Saudis, and the West they get a denuclearized Iran, but Israel would be deeply disappointed at no regime change. For Trump in that situation it'd be better to call it mission accomplished rather than having a Chinese takeover in Iran. For Pakistan and Afghanistan they'd get much Chinese investment and support, while retaining their Iranian buffer from American/Israeli threat.
If a ground invasion is being prepared, however, I think China does need to get involved. In the event of AR, I don't see the US coming near Chinese shores to try to contest the seas around TW, but rather attempt an embargo farther away in the IOR from Malacca to the ME and shores of Africa. To break that, China would need to "port hop", from Cambodia to Myanmar to Pakistan to ultimately IMO Iran. Land routes would also be established to those ports, and obviously that would be rather difficult if there are tens of thousands of American troops in Iran. As such, at first sign of a ground invasion, China should start building up assets in Afghanistan and Pakistan, to provide multiple routes of deployment into Iran.
The end goal should be a political solution, Iran promising to give up its nuclear program in exchange for Chinese guarantee of security. It should at least ostensibly satisfy all parties' needs, but certainly not everyone's wants. For Israel, the Saudis, and the West they get a denuclearized Iran, but Israel would be deeply disappointed at no regime change. For Trump in that situation it'd be better to call it mission accomplished rather than having a Chinese takeover in Iran. For Pakistan and Afghanistan they'd get much Chinese investment and support, while retaining their Iranian buffer from American/Israeli threat.
Should China relocate their H-6 bombers in Pakistan, in preparation for the bombing of US assets used in the invasion of Iran?
Captainquirk/Petrolicious RIP reply: We have nothing to fear from China, we cut all the NIH funding, they can't spy on research that isn't happening!
I hope you guys are joking or this is delusional of the highest level. China will never ever join militarily in a war with US for Iran. The most China will ever do is provide them with weapons and ISR. Infact, China's satellite ISR will be the most important support that Iran can get and will most certainly have huge impact on the battle outcome. In terms of weapons also, China will not provide anything that can be visibly point at China. So, no Chinese weapon system.
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I believe that's an old clip because I remember the bit about Trump's tax returns so it's out of context. The Democrats have taken the anti-China plunge and it was revealed recently by Biden's economic advisor, Elizabeth Economy, that his administration knew that Trump's tariffs on China were bad for the US but he went along and furthered them because Biden knew he was going to be vilified as a Chinese puppet by the Republicans if he cut them off in anyway. Biden and Hillary are in the Crony Democrat department that control the party so I'm sure the Republicans will take it out of context too and use it against them.
That's what I don't like about how the Democrats now are trying to paint themselves as the opposite of Trump because of his revealing failing China policy that the Democrats also embraced. It's just like how they keep pushing that the US needs allies to gang-up on China. They already did that with Biden and the result was allied economies are collapsing having to follow "America First" US foreign policies while China continues to rise. It's takes two to decouple which the West was aiming for everyone one of them to do against China. But they all realized earlier before Trump realized they won't be able to function without China. That's why they changed the verbiage to "de-risking". Decoupling tells China to cut it off with them too which they don't want. They still want to make money from China. They just don't want China making money from them. That's where they can hide that by calling it de-risking. Yes it's all superficial nonsense that they think makes the difference. They think they can Jedi-mind trick the world. Obama even confirmed that Hillary said out loud that she didn't want to see her granddaughter living in a world where China was number one. So that was more a flippant remark that the Democrats should ask for China's help. The Republicans are going to suffer from Trump's failings. Why should the Democrats get a reprieve?
That's what I hate about say nothing, do nothing Chinese. You have to be active or else nothing changes. You think Westerners are going to learn on their own? Oh yes it seems like the Chinese also hold on to romantic beliefs like Westerners do. Just like those Chinese who want China to embrace the Western version of soft power where they adamantly stand for it to the point where it has to come not influenced by money or power. That's because you want to believe it came naturally making it more real. Or those that are so naive to think racists are just mistaken thinking if they just got to know the Chinese then they'll like them. Wake up and smell reality.
These people chose for themselves under their own volition to be the enemy of the Chinese. It's okay to the least to treat them like they treat you. It wouldn't have happened if they didn't do it. That's how the Chinese should think and how it should be conveyed to them. China's immediate reaction to Trump's liberation day tariffs would've been unheard of not too long ago because the Chinese like to think about how they would look to others. That's why they were notorious for retaliating a year after the said offense because they want people to think they weren't emotional and rash in their decisions. But by that time people will have forgotten what the offense was so it comes off as unprovoked instead. Look at all the positives for China in immediately retaliating against Trump's tariffs. The world isn't siding with the US and they look like the bad guy overall. If China were any other Asian country, they would be sucking up to the US not thinking at all about anyone else. That's how people see Asians in general.
I've heard this before about what people generally think about Asians but I'll give an example of what happened in a public setting. In one of those reality shows where they just follow a bunch people around in their lives, there was someone new they introduced one year. It was found out that this guy posted on his social media account that anytime he sees an Asian, he just wants to punch them in the face. He got let go of the show at the end of his first season because that was exposed. I've heard this before where people think Asians are snobby where they think they're better than everyone else. Just look at those Asians who think just because they have white friends they believe that means they're better than other Asians. Many Asian women who date or who are married to white men think they're superior to other Asian women and that's why they do it. I can see why people think what they think of Asians.
Back a couple decades ago insecure Asians were stupid enough in their quest to be loved by white people, they would openly declare how they hated the races that white racists hated because they thought that would make whites like them more by hating what they hate. Today they can't do that because not only are they making themselves look bad, they're also declaring white people are racist which whites don't like.
Don't worry if this makes Asians look racist because all the minorities in the US wanting to live in peace with whites do the exact same thing. They hate what white people hate thinking they will be accepted more by whites. Look at the Congressional Black Caucus in the US. They have a track record of voting with what their white peers in any legislation that don't target African-Americans directly that they come up with. They can do it too but because Asian aren't active politically, the racist nature of any such legislation is never questioned as such. Right now I look at my YouTube homepage and for some reason I'm getting all these videos of black people laughing at other minority groups including Asians that voted for Trump and are getting deported now because of Trump. Black people voted for Trump too. Because Asians chose to do nothing the narrative of racists continues unchallenged. If you don't do anything, it doesn't resolve itself on it's own in your favor like many Chinese and Asians would like to believe.
US is pretty much certain to strike Iran now. If Iran had any brain, they would do a pre-emptive strike on US bases all over the ME now. Before they can strike. A surprise blow would set back US ability to strike Iran and allow Iran the breathing space to hunker down further.
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Wonder how feasible it is for China to provide civilian satellite based ISR to Iran…
Equation
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TACO talk.
Will VN be "forced" to turn "hostile" like PH vs CN?
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Werent Turkey hosting nato bases helping lsr?