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Sardaukar20

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Already Indian media is picking up on this Bangladesh-China spat story:
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Chances are, this is just a temporary spat. There would be no lasting enmity between Bangladesh and China. Unless Bangladesh does the unthinkable, and joins the Quad. Which will be inviting China's wrath.

Kaeshmiri said:
I actually see the Bangladeshi response as undiplomatic and aggressive. All the Chinese Amb said was about QUAD and that any country joining it including Bangladesh would damage relations with China.
Its the Bangladeshi FM who's unnecessarily making it an issue of sovereignty.
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Agreed. I don't think the Chinese ambassador said anything too offensive. Bangladesh's consideration to join the Quad, alone is far far more offensive to China than that friendly caution by the Chinese ambassador. The Bangladesh FM saying what he did is very undiplomatic. He dares to say that it is Bangladesh's 'sovereign right' to join an alliance that aims to contain China. That Quad alliance have touched on several of China's sensitive points like the SCS and Taiwan. The Quad threatens China's sovereignty! That's a very treacherous line for Bangladesh to cross.

If Bangladesh joins the Quad, I'm all for China to punish Bangladesh. Joining the Quad makes Bangladesh a defacto enemy of China. There is no reason, nor any benefit for Bangladesh to threaten China. So that Bangladesh FM should learn some manners and don't piss off China. Or Bangladesh could risk losing its most important trade and defense partner over some dumb publicity stunt.
 
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Kaeshmiri

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voyager1 said:
Yes but why do this in public? He could easily do it in private. Doing it in public changes nothing
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I mean if some gets asked a question in public he responds in public. Its not like the Chinese Amb came out of nowhere and issued this statement.
voyager1 said:
Ambassadors no1 job is to keep promoting friendly relations which is why you never (well, almost never) hear ambassadors making comments that can be perceived as negative by the hosting country
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Actually the topmost priority of an Amb is to uphold and protect his country's national interests in the country where he is posted.. In this case the Amb made it clear that QUAD is against Chinese interests. Nothing wrong with the statement.
voyager1 said:
That he made these comments, it shows that he has failed the most important part of the job which is "dont mess up our relations with this country"
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Well he didnt. The Bang FM is overreacting which is very common in democratic countries. In democracies you cant afford to look weak in front of any country no matter how powerful as there are political ramifications to it. He had to look tough which he did.

The only reason this issue even made headlines is because of the presence of a strong Indian lobby within Bangladesh. They are always looking to discredit China.
 
plawolf

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voyager1 said:
Yes but why do this in public? He could easily do it in private. Doing it in public changes nothing

Ambassadors no1 job is to keep promoting friendly relations which is why you never (well, almost never) hear ambassadors making comments that can be perceived as negative by the hosting country

That he made these comments, it shows that he has failed the most important part of the job which is "dont mess up our relations with this country"
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The Bangladeshi FM’s response very much smacks of ‘the lady protests too much’. Which may be precisely the reason China has decided to go public - that you have a small cabal of people trying to secretly and stealthily push Bangladesh in a direction it’s general public does not want. If there was genuinely public appetite and support for such actions, it would be the cabal who would be going public with their proposals.

What they are trying to do is sneak a seemingly minor but important change past the public but which forces China to respond forcefully, so they can play victim and try to rally the masses against China.

In a way the FM’s response is kinda giving away his game as he has premature shot his load due to the Chinese ambassador’s words.

Those were words pre-prepared for when China has taken concrete countermeasures like sanctions. Which is basically looking like what it’s cabal was trying to trigger.

China preempted then by spelling out publicly the consequences, meaning if they continue to push ahead and China is forced to respond with concrete measures instead of mere words, they can point back to this precise moment and say, we did warn you.
 
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voyager1

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taxiya said:
I am just suspecting, could this FM is at odd with the leadership. This is not a surprise in a western styled democracy. The very recent example is the president of Czech and the chairman of the Senate making conflicting statements about China. The Senate chairman event went to Taiwan, but the president gave a very warm speech of relationship with China.
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Maybe. I have also heard that there many factions inside BD which want better relations with India, US etc. There are others which want more relations with China.

Honestly its a mess lol

I will say though, that I dont think BD would join Quad.

Lets wait a bit and see if (and how) China will respond to the FM remarks
 
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Kaeshmiri

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taxiya said:
Just like what India has been doing in the past decade in Sri Lanka, Maldives and Nepal.
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They do it everywhere. I would say that after US, India is right at the top when it comes to disinformation and propaganda.
What makes it remarkable is that Indians are quite efficient in it relative to their investment. They know how to play with the emotions of the public. (Esp in South Asia)

Many here may not know but "Debt Trap Diplomacy" which the West constantly talks about was actually coined by an Indian academic. This simple word caused massive PR damage to China in Africa and rest of the world.

Indians are very sleazy and they only learn lessons the hard way aka 1962. You cant be civil with them.
 
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Kaeshmiri said:
They do it everywhere. I would say that after US, India is right at the top when it comes to disinformation and propaganda.
What makes it remarkable is that Indians are quite efficient in it relative to their investment. They know how to play with the emotions of the public. (Esp in South Asia)

Many here may not know but "Debt Trap Diplomacy" which the West constantly talks about was actually coined by an Indian academic. This simple word caused massive PR damage to China in Africa and rest of the world.

Indians are very sleazy and they only learn lessons the hard way aka 1962. You cant be civil with them.
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The Indians, like western countries, are only afraid when you have enough hard assets.
 
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Temstar said:
You know what else is affecting Apple right now?
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No wonder people think China must be in possession of a "causality weapon", sometimes these timings are just too crazy.
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I wonder honestly as to what kind of weapons that China really has that they are telling anyone given the number of patents. From rail guns to rod of god, the dark sword, hypersonic nuclear missiles carrying nukes, drone swarms and other arsenals that China has yet to bring out or show off, one must wonder that if the USA does really want a real fight, what ways will China use to even the scales since with this pandemic already screwing the USA and India right now (both without Chinese input whatsoever since this virus either isn’t man made or it came from fort Derick in the USA) one must wonder if China is being assertive and strong right now means that China has the winning formula atm that should the USA start a real war that China can cause a world of hurt from the onset without warning. I mean the USA war games in regards to Taiwan already results in the USA getting wrecked by China under no certain terms, I wonder what kind of weapons that China really has since they are not going around the world showing off there capabilities and they have the money and materials. In that case, in the event the USA is out of commission (if random hackers can already mess up half of the east coast that easily, worse can easily happen) and given the amount of pressuring China gets from the quad and basically how weak the quad is individually, I wonder if any of them are ready for the consequences since they mock and annoy China right now, essentially crying wolf all the time, this could be moment that the rest of the quad is dreading and the best part of that all these nations that have wronged China in the past and is basically unrepentant so China in the event that these nations start a fight will have free reign to extract some much needed catharsis
 
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voyager1 said:
The Chinese ambassador to Bangladesh should be sacked and replaced. Not an iota of diplomacy in his body

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If BD's interests lie or not in the Quad then thats their decision. Muh "Non-interference" policy lol

Btw here is the comments made by Chinese ambassador


Undertandable stance by China. However these things are better said behind closed doors and not on front of the world!
I am sure that BD knows what is the Quad and doesn't need the ambassador to explain it to them lol

IMO he should be sacked ASAP for his incompetence
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What part of his statement(s) constitute a sign of "incompetence" as you forcefully charged. If the CPC leadership decides to fire this diplomat then it means it's reacting and adjusting to placate the feelings of Bangladesh like it holds some significant factor in Chinese grand strategy in the region, and it would come across that China needs that country more when the opposite is the case.

I see no reason in my estimation for the Chinese ambassador to be unceremoniously sack all because he made some alleged "faux pas" in some people's estimation. I say it's about time that China assert it's interest be known publicly to buttress what's said behind closed doors so that the public on these countries must begin to be made aware that China is not some passive, naive idiotic country. It'll fight diplomatically it's aims and interest, it will enforce the objectives if and when it's necessary, and it will fight for these same interests if it must.
 
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