manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Next US outburst,
"You said your door was open but it was CLOSED!!! That was just a walk-in closet! CCP LIES!!!"
China's open door be like:
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"You said your door was open but it was CLOSED!!! That was just a walk-in closet! CCP LIES!!!"
China's open door be like:
As I said:
TBF, I agree with you that Ukraine is unlikely to "succeed" with cruise missiles and/or drones in such a scenario, but that won't necessarily stop them from trying or pursuing other options.
We're talking about a country that "employed" .
That's the problem right there: numerous such penetrations.
I don't disagree with you, but the Russo-Ukrainian conflict has also been an unrelenting exercise in Murphy's Law.
Papa Trump should hurt them more. Pain the best teacher after all
While I doubt they are going to assassinate either of the head of the state if they are try to do anything or done something that could harm xi, then zelensky better run for his life. China is going to absolute pound Ukraine and kill every general that is close to him. Like one of those Chinese official said. If china assisted Russia then the result would be different. That said I think usa or maybe some allies will try to force Ukraine not to do this kind of act.
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While CN giving olive leaf? Will EU reciprocate?
(Curious how Finbarr felt abt the news...)
While CN giving olive leaf? Will EU reciprocate?
It just doesn't make sense. Even if you are Ukraine, you don't want to make things even worse. At least with current relations with China, there are still options but once you piss them off a lot of them will be gone. But the world seems to be getting more insane these days.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
It doesn’t make sense from a Ukrainian POV, but it does make sense for the Americans.
Let’s just assume their wet dreams come true regardless of how utterly insane the odds are against it, Ukraine attacks Moscow during the parade and injures or kills Xi. China declares war on Ukraine and PLA troops start to pour into Ukraine en mass and starts to absolutely crush the already battered Ukrainians. America can also use the attack as a pretext to end all support for Ukraine as Trump wants.
Chinese rapprochement with the EU is dead, and NATO becomes more important than ever to the Europeans with the prospect of a massive Sino-Russian army rapidly approaching their boarders in a vengeful mood to boot.
NATO rush troops to the boarders as a safeguard and one false flag attack against those NATO forces later, NATO is at war with China and Russia in Europe. America can now kick off their long dreamed of re-enactment of the 8 Nation alliance to go to war against China by dragging all of NATO into the fight. Most of whom would join in gladly under the circumstances.
The point has never been about whether America might try such an attack using Ukraine as proxy, but rather it doesn’t have the raw hard power ability to pull off such an attack against the kind of security that will be in place. And both Russia and China will be on maximum alert for such an attack precisely because of the massive geopolitical implications a successful attack could potentially immediately bring forth.
Rather than waste time and bandwidth talking about an event as likely as aliens landing and wiping America off the face of the earth to curry favour with China, it would be far more interesting and relevant to explore the possible fallout from a failed Ukrainian attempt to attack the parade.
China would be well within its rights to consider that as an attempted assassination on its sitting head of state, and thus and act of war by Ukraine. Indeed, if the intention is to try to bait China to directly participate in the war in Ukraine, irrefutable proof could easily be planted that Xi is the intended target.
Best case for the Americans, China declares war on Ukraine and it’s the same game plan as before. Worst case they can use that as a pretext to cut Ukraine off and basically extricate themselves from that money and weapons black hole without looking like the bad guys, and also pull the EU closer to it due to the increased security threat to them, while at the same time it can package its ending of support for Ukraine as an olive branch to China to end the trade war.
Not only are they liars, they are shitty liars.