Military situation in the sino-indian border

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Yodello

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If China don't act or let India withdraw voluntarily, then China is making a huge mistake, I don't think or I hope China is not as weak and timid as we think, I think Chinese leaders had too much things to occupy their mind in past few weeks like the G20 meeting.

I hope China is taking the time position its heavy equipment along the borders, so when the clash come the outcome will be absolute and decisive, and any Indian reinforcement will also be crushed.

This high ground thing is absolute overrated, its stupid to think China is not attacking because someone holds the high ground in the age of attack helicopters, bombers.

As I said earlier, India isn't going to withdraw voluntarily, as has been stated by strategists and former military personnel in the Indian Media, they have dubbed it as a core interest of India. I don't think China is weak as in terms of available hardware and capability, i just think that China is too self-conscious to make one step out of order. Definitely, President Xi has been busy indeed. Let's see what happens next.
Well India has a lot of artillery facing the Sino Indian border, I'm not sure about China.
I agree, the High ground think is overrated when we talk about Air Power, but the PLA troops on the ground are facing the Indian Army armed with heavy firepower looking down on them from their vantage point, and the PLA troops will be cramped into the Chumbi valley, while the Indian Air force bases are very close to the border to provide additional firepower.
I think this is probably one of the most profound tests of the Chinese leadership and its military and how it handles this situation and still manages come out on top, or will the Indians be the ones dancing to their bollywood tunes in victory? I just don't know what's going to happen. But as of now, India seems to be gaining a lot of strategic brownie points vis-a-vis its neighbours.
 
There are so many different versions of the story from the Indian side that most of them can only be highly suspect, unsurprisingly they all blame China. However the persistent and loud Indian voices, especially prolific in English language media, combined with existing bias and dishonesty in Western media and public opinion against China acutely illustrate China's accumulated PR disadvantage and continuing weaknesses. Poor English language skills in presenting the Chinese side of the story only add to their problems.

At this point China really needs to step up their PR game in quality, persistence, and loudness especially with regards to third party audiences.

In terms of on-the-ground options there is insufficient reliable public information on the actual situation to venture specific ideas. The big picture is clear though that India, or at least the Modi regime, is proactively looking to pick fights with China both on its own and by courting other parties including the US, Japan, and Vietnam, expect attempts to recruit others.

So China needs to step up their diplomatic game as well. Which means if it comes to China having to lose a battle, such as the current border confrontation, to win the wider "war" then it may be well worth it.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Well back in 1962 China also take their time Warning after warning was transmitted to the Indian But they didn't listen
Instead it emboldened them to keep encroaching on Chinese territory
So eventually they were evicted with force As well it take time to build up forces and formulate strategy. Sure they always have contingencies plan but they didn't know exactly where the flare up is going to be

So I will wait and see what happened next In the meantime see if they move reinforcement and supply to Donglang area and watch for troop movement
 
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tidalwave

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Diversion of all water going into India will solve this issue.

Wait, rather good to make trade-off.

China take all water flowing into India

And India can keep this disputed area.

Water is more useful. It will nourish northern China.
 

Orthan

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Acording to this article, the indian army army have pitched tents in the area. It seems that they have even allowed the tibetan government-in-exile to raise its flag in a border lake in ladack.

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At this point China really needs to(...) India, or at least the Modi regime, is proactively looking to pick fights with China

IMO, at this point china really needs to let the issue die down, and at the same time start to take india seriously. Its becoming clear that india wont back down on this. I think that as india´s economy grows, its becoming more ambitious and china is going to have to live with it.

Diversion of all water going into India will solve this issue.

That would be a huge PR and diplomatic bomb for china.
 

sanblvd

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IMO, at this point china really needs to let the issue die down, and at the same time start to take india seriously. Its becoming clear that india wont back down on this. I think that as india´s economy grows, its becoming more ambitious and china is going to have to live with it.

I'm pretty sure you are a troll, very nice try.
 

Yodello

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Next time, Pakistan should ask the PLA to intervene in any dispute with India. If India complains, China should say that it is just helping out an ally and a friend. China should provide all sorts of weaponry to Pakistan, and also to all the insurgent groups in the Northeastern parts of India, who are mongoloids being trampled under the yoke of Indian military. China has been very lacking in exploiting the insurgencies in the Northeast of India, while India continuously plays the Tibet card against China, and India even encourages Tibet freedom movement. China recognizing the legitimacy of the Northeast India separatist movement would be huge thorn in India's side.
 
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sanblvd

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You know, when you think about it, if India pull this off (not that I'm saying they are) and if US, EU and all of democratic nations does nothing.

China can use this excuse by invading smaller nations of her own, by using the excuse that whatever they are doing is not in the national interstate of China, and if they complain, then say your ally India did it and you agree to it, I'm just doing the same thing lol.
 

delft

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Acording to this article, the indian army army have pitched tents in the area. It seems that they have even allowed the tibetan government-in-exile to raise its flag in a border lake in ladack.

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Tibetan govt-in-exile chief hoists flag in Ladakh as India-China standoff rages in Sikkim
Central Tibetan Administration spokesperson said that this is the first time the Tibetan flag had been unfurled by the head of the government-in-exile on an Indian land. Read on to know more.

As the standoff between Indian and Chinese soldiers continues in Sikkim's Doklam pleateau, the head of the Tibetan government-in-exile Lobsang Sangay hoisted the Tibetan flag on the banks of the Pangong Tso lake in Ladakh on Wednesday, July 5.

The Line of Actual Control (LAC) passes through the lake, 60 percent of which lies on the Chinese side. The Line of Actual Control (LAC) passes right through IT.

According to the Wire, Sonam Norbu Dagpo, the spokesman of the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), the flag-hoisting event was indeed significant as this was the first time the independent Tibet flag had been unfurled by the head of the government-in-exile on an Indian land.

"This is the first visit by the CTA president to Ladakh and, therefore, the first time that the national flag has been unfurled near the lake," he said.

He also added that the bore "political and personal significance" to them. "As you know, half the lake is in India, and half the Tibet," he added.

Interestingly, Dagpo also added that they did not need any permission to hoist the Tibetan flag. However, a senior fellow at Observer Research Foundation (ORF) Dr Rajeswari Pillai Rajagopalan was quoted as saying by The Quint that this move could not have been made without the knowledge of the Indian government.

In fact she went on to add that with India engaged in a standoff with neighbouring giant China with whom we share a 3,500 km frontier, this event served as a move to gain an upper hand by using Tibet as a bargain chip.

Rajagopalan was also quoted as saying that by not admitting Hafiz Saeed as terrorist and using its veto to stop India from joining as a permanent member in the Nuclear Suppliers group, China also continued to be hostile.

"India has had enough and this move can be seen as a strong response from New Delhi," he claimed.

In fact, former MEA secretary RS Kalha has echoed the same. "The unfurling of the Tibetan flag [at Pang Gong] is a political act, especially at this time", Kalha told The Wire.

The standoff has been continuing for 22 days. The Indian soldiers had stopped Chinese soldiers from constructing a road in the Bhutanese territory, as it will seriously affect the security at the tri-junction and the sensitive Chicken Neck joining the northeast with mainland India.
Ladakh is much further to the West and has nothing to do with Sikkim and neighbourhood. India allowed the CIA sponsored "Tibetan government-in-exile" to hoist its flag on the Indian side of Line of Actual Control. This shows that India is purposefully increasing tension and is even prepared to allow Ladakh to be part of Tibet! China can use patience and so show up India as the war monger.
 
the first time I looked at the situation (until about ten minutes ago I had no idea Bhutan is involved, too, so obviously I'm not implying anything at all):

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disputed area of
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is APPROXIMATELY marked by black dots above;
it stretches
  • down to the mountain I marked (but can't find the link now LOL obviously I didn't make it up as my imagination couldn't be that high), and
  • toward the confluence of two rivers which I of course don't know, but which I highlighted;
I'm going to look at additional terrain features later;
reportedly the Chinese began to build a road (I put question marks completely approximately above) from
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to that disputed area

it's very very exotic
 
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