Military situation in the sino-indian border

I guess they want to look good in front of Trump by antagonizing China . I guess they forgot 1962!

China will have to take military way if India doesn't listen: Chinese expert tells daily
By PTI | Published: 04th July 2017 04:27 PM |

Last Updated: 04th July 2017 04:27 PM | A+A A- |

(File Photo | Reuters)

China would be forced to use a "military way" to end the standoff in the Sikkim sector if India refuses to listen to the "historical lessons" being offered by it, a Chinese expert has warned.

As the standoff at the Doka La area continued for the third week, the official media and the think-tanks here have said that "war is possible if the conflict between India and China is not handled properly".

"China is trying its best to use historical lessons to reason with India and show sincerity in peacefully solving the problem, but if India refuses to listen, then China would have no other choice than to use a military way of solving the problem," Hu Zhiyong, a research fellow at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, told the state-run Global Times.

Hu claimed that India is provoking China because it wanted to prove to the US that it could contain China while Prime Minister Narendra Modi was in the US.

But Hu said US President Donald Trump was not like his predecessor Barack Obama.

"Obama believes India is important only because they share the same values, but Trump is very pragmatic, and he doesn't treat India as a valuable ally because New Delhi is too weak to confront Beijing," Hu opined.

Although India always treats China as its biggest rival, China does not think so as India lags far behind China, Song Zhongping, a Beijing-based military expert, was quoted as saying by the daily.

"Experts also scoffed at India's military threat after Indian Defence Minister Arun Jaitely asserted on Friday that the India of 2017 is different from what it was in 1962," said the report in the daily, known for its nationalist stance.

"The gap between the militaries of China and India today is even bigger than in 1962, and I hope India can keep calm for its own good," Hu said.

Since the standoff on June 6, when the People's Liberation Army (PLA) destroyed bunkers of the India Army claiming the area belonged to China, Chinese media have carried several pieces warning India for escalating border tension and "reminding" the Indian Army about the 1962 war.

Of the 3,488-km-long India-China border from Jammu and Kashmir to Arunachal Pradesh, a 220-km section falls in Sikkim.

China has cited the 1890 Sino-British treaty to settle the dispute over the Sikkim section of the boundary.

Hendrik_2000 said:

I guess they want to look good in front of Trump by antagonizing China . I guess they forgot 1962!

China will have to take military way if India doesn't listen: Chinese expert tells daily
By PTI | Published: 04th July 2017 04:27 PM |

Last Updated: 04th July 2017 04:27 PM | A+A A- |

(File Photo | Reuters)

China would be forced to use a "military way" to end the standoff in the Sikkim sector if India refuses to listen to the "historical lessons" being offered by it, a Chinese expert has warned.

As the standoff at the Doka La area continued for the third week, the official media and the think-tanks here have said that "war is possible if the conflict between India and China is not handled properly".

"China is trying its best to use historical lessons to reason with India and show sincerity in peacefully solving the problem, but if India refuses to listen, then China would have no other choice than to use a military way of solving the problem," Hu Zhiyong, a research fellow at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, told the state-run Global Times.

Hu claimed that India is provoking China because it wanted to prove to the US that it could contain China while Prime Minister Narendra Modi was in the US.

But Hu said US President Donald Trump was not like his predecessor Barack Obama.

"Obama believes India is important only because they share the same values, but Trump is very pragmatic, and he doesn't treat India as a valuable ally because New Delhi is too weak to confront Beijing," Hu opined.

Although India always treats China as its biggest rival, China does not think so as India lags far behind China, Song Zhongping, a Beijing-based military expert, was quoted as saying by the daily.

"Experts also scoffed at India's military threat after Indian Defence Minister Arun Jaitely asserted on Friday that the India of 2017 is different from what it was in 1962," said the report in the daily, known for its nationalist stance.

"The gap between the militaries of China and India today is even bigger than in 1962, and I hope India can keep calm for its own good," Hu said.

Since the standoff on June 6, when the People's Liberation Army (PLA) destroyed bunkers of the India Army claiming the area belonged to China, Chinese media have carried several pieces warning India for escalating border tension and "reminding" the Indian Army about the 1962 war.

Of the 3,488-km-long India-China border from Jammu and Kashmir to Arunachal Pradesh, a 220-km section falls in Sikkim.

China has cited the 1890 Sino-British treaty to settle the dispute over the Sikkim section of the boundary.

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Why would Trump care?

Instead of direct fighting with India, the smart thing for China to do is give heavy weaponries and sniper rifles to Muslim fighters at Kashmir. And Pakistan will open a second front with Chinese logistics support.

Indians itching for a fight with Chinese and China shouldn't give one to them.

Help those Muslim freedom fighters and Pakistan troops retake Kashmir.

Those Indians are ultra aggressive, they swallowed the country of Sikkim. The king of Sikkim asked China for help at the time but China was in deep trouble, cultural revolution and all that stuff. So, Sikkim got annexed by India.

Now, India wants swallow Bhutan as well.
India says It's acting for Bhutan, what a bunch of BS.

Time for China to help Pakistan and Muslim fighters to retake Kashmir and dam up all the water flowing to India. If India wants to take Tibet then at that time bring it on.

I have to say that China's response to India's incursion is surprising mild, they are not using any really harsh language or threats, all they have done so far is keep repeating that it request India to withdraw.

China have all the right in this situation, clearly India violated Chinese territory on purpose, here is my analysis.

India is seeing all of its neighborhood country such as Pakistan, Nepal, Sir Lanka, Bangladesh (Except Pakistan) were much closer to India than with China before not so long ago, but now all of them are closer to China than India, this was due to 2 reasons, 1 China's smart diplomacy and 2 India's stupid diplomacy the 2015 Nepal blockade and India's annexation of Sikkim come to mind.

The only ally that India have left in its own backyard is Bhutan, who also have border dispute with China, but I have a feeling that Bhutan is not a normal country in a sense that they really close themselves off from the world, and outsource their diplomacy to India, that is not very smart of Bhutan, they had better luck directly talking to China.

India wants to demonstrate to China and all of its neighbor that you can trust me, China is just a paper tiger, you see I am helping Bhutan to stand up for its right and China can't do anything about it, therefore you must stop orientating your foreign policy to China, you have to look at me now.

So if India won in this stand off then it would be a HUGE hit for Chinese reputation and a huge win for India. But that only works if China literally decide to give in, China have more troops more resources in that area than India, so if a war really breaks out India would not stand a chance, and I have no doubt India's higher up knows this but yet they are not backing down as they should have for the own interest.

And China on the other hand has not yet stepping up the pressure, but here is my speculation why, I think China is now on a diplomatic overtime trying to build up a case for support. Clearly India is the aggressor here, China can win narrative this time.

I think in another 1-2 weeks you will see China using more harsh language to condemn India and further isolate India internationally, so most likely India will have to withdraw and lose face, (China is not doing that now because if India withdraw too soon the face lose for India won't be as bad). And if that don't work, China will isolate India further before the actual fighting, and when all is said and done after India suffer another epic defeat, there will be no sympathy for India from any nation in the world include US and its other Western nations, whatever the outcome that they withdraw in peace or in war it would not be good for India, and if China done it smartly, China can paint India as this aggressive nation that invade other nation's land and India's 21st century will be mired in darkness, they will receive no support and no technology transfer from Western country who had plan to build up India as a counter to China.

There is a very good reason India picked that area for this stand-off, and that is because it is pretty much the only part of the boarder in that region where India enjoys the high ground and thus have a tactical advantage.

It would be unwise for China to take the bait that India is offering.

India is betting that neither side wants a significant boarder war, in which case any clash would most likely be limited to the initial engagement of troops on site.

As previously mentioned, India enjoys the advantage there.

China does have the overwhelming advantage across the overwhelming majority of the boarder, and also has far superior logistics and overal national power.

The problem is that China can't really make those advantages count without massively escalating the fight by bring in those reinforcements and its superior military might into play.

But this current little standoff is nowhere near important enough to go to such lengths over.

Thus China's current best play is to downplay the dispute.

But how does this play out in the end? If India does not withdraw and stays there would China just leave it the way it is?

And you are right, maybe the reason China is reacting very mildly right now is because they need time to build up their reinforcements from elsewhere, but as you said if both side fight with the asset they have right now outcome is not certain.

No compromise according to China ambassador to India The ball is now in India's court
The ambassador is right India has no right to make territorial claim on the behalf of Bhutan


Sikkim standoff: China says situation ‘grave’, no scope for compromise with India
China and India have been engaged in a standoff in the Dokalam area near the Bhutan trijunction for past 19 days after a Chinese army’s construction party came to build a road.
Updated: Jul 04, 2017 20:02 IST
Press Trust of India, New Delhi

The Chinese government is clear that it wants peaceful resolution for which withdrawal of Indian troops from the area is a “pre- condition. Luo Zhaohui, the Chinese ambassador to India, said on Tuesday that the “ball is in India’s court”. (AFPf ile )

if not handled properly, the ambassador said: “There has been talk about this option, that option. It is up to your government policy (whether to exercise military option).”

The Chinese government is very clear that it wants peaceful resolution at current state of the situation for which withdrawal of Indian troops from the area is a “pre- condition”, he asserted

The first priority is that the Indian troops unconditionally pull back to the Indian side of the boundary. That is the precondition for any meaningful dialogue between China and India,” he said.

China and India have been engaged in a standoff in the Dokalam area near the Bhutan trijunction for past 19 days after a Chinese army’s construction party came to build a road.

Doka La is the Indian name for the region which Bhutan recognises as Dokalam, while China claims it as part of its Donglang region. China and Bhutan are engaged in talks over the resolution of the area. Bhutan, however, has no diplomatic ties with China and it is supported militarily and diplomatically by India.

“The situation is grave and made me deeply worried. It is the first time that Indian troops have crossed the mutually recognised boundary and trespassed into China’s territory, triggering a close range face off between Chinese and Indian border troops. Now 19 days have passed, but the situation still has not eased,” Luo said.

He also asserted that India has no right to interfere with the China-Bhutan boundary talks, nor is it entitled to make territorial claims on behalf of Bhutan.

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Yeah look like China is giving India an ultimatum, but I doubt India will comply for their own good. all the internet comments I see left by Indians are all calling for war, its a bit like.... what Americans were like 1 month before the Iraq invasion....

But I don't know where do the ordinary Indians get their confidences from, they are literally behind China on all aspects of everything... every single possible field, military, economy... everything.

I have never see peoples with such delusion as Indians, China better start deploying, at this moment and time I believe war happening over this is a lot higher than war happening in North Korea.

plawolf said:

There is a very good reason India picked that area for this stand-off, and that is because it is pretty much the only part of the boarder in that region where India enjoys the high ground and thus have a tactical advantage.

It would be unwise for China to take the bait that India is offering.

India is betting that neither side wants a significant boarder war, in which case any clash would most likely be limited to the initial engagement of troops on site.

As previously mentioned, India enjoys the advantage there.

China does have the overwhelming advantage across the overwhelming majority of the boarder, and also has far superior logistics and overal national power.

The problem is that China can't really make those advantages count without massively escalating the fight by bring in those reinforcements and its superior military might into play.

But this current little standoff is nowhere near important enough to go to such lengths over.

Thus China's current best play is to downplay the dispute.

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First, I consider this topic is rather political and will try to limit its discussion. Then, you need to remember something that India has its western alliance, so when India is aggressive, no one care but if China becomes aggressive, that would be another story. Don't forget "China threat". Finally, I think India is trying to make its noise loud because people are ignoring it as a super power. Further, we don't have evidence, but this might be a show for Trump to see.

Soldiers of both sides confronting each other but they don't push each others with hands. It reminds me the way football players confronting each others.

None carries weapon.