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isthvan

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Re: New Iran Jet ?

caksz said:
During the recently war training , they show an F-14 ,F4 ,F5 ,MIG-29 doing live firing and hell even a mobile tracked I-HAWK SAM they claimn using a new jet but i'll cant see them , anyone have pics or specs of it ? Is it the plane an indigenous design ? :confused:
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Ps. more will fallow, my provider is having some problems currently...
 
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eecsmaster

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when did the Israelians add a second stablizer to the F-5? Because I'm pretty sure that's the star of David.

on closer inspection, I think the F-5 with the twin verticle stablizers is Iranian. Remember how there was that Jane's article about Iran cramming 2 RD-33/93s into an F-5? Well, I'm pretty sure these aren't RD-33/93s, but it seems they did make major structural changes.

after some more time wasting, the Israeli F-5 is the E version, the Iranian one is the Sa'eqeh-80.

Golly's edit: We don't refer countries and people living there by their religions do we? It would be quite confusing if I say the Muslims bought a seccondhand tanks from budhist, that were orginally bought form the Orthodoxs....

...and no editing of your post after mod's edit...
 
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isthvan

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bd popeye said:
Of course after posting that the usaul questions were raised....You know "PS" or not "PS"....
Hm, I guess that this is real deal; they showed footage on Iranian TV… Here are some more pictures…

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eecsmaster said:
Remember how there was that Jane's article about Iran cramming 2 RD-33/93s into an F-5? Well, I'm pretty sure these aren't RD-33/93s, but it seems they did make major structural changes.
I agree there is no chance in hell that those are RD-33. There are 0 possibilities to fit them in so small airframe; engines are probably the same as on F-5... Radar should be NO19ME but i would put my money on Kopyo...

Ps. Popeye could you please merge my last 2 posts?

Done! bd popeye

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eecsmaster said:
after some more time wasting, the Israeli F-5 is the E version, the Iranian one is the Sa'eqeh-80.
Bouth fighters are Iranian; IDF never had F-5 in its inventory… Pictures are from Iranian national TV footage…

Her are few more pictures:

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ps. Thanks popeye
 
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Dongfeng

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Re: any info about 5.8mm type 88B GPMG

I made that page because I saw the discussion here. I'll try to get the rest MG pages done in the new future.

This was delayed so much because MG has never been one of my favourite subjects!
 

rhino123

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MBT definition

Hi,

I don't know where to post this thread, so I would try it here.:p

Anyway, I am quite puzzle at the definition for MBT, I know that it meant Main Battle Tank in full, but how to you differentiate it with normal Light tank? Is it the weigh or is it the calibre of main cannon? If it is the weigh, how many tons would enable it to be classified as MBT and if it is the calibre of the main gun, how big is the cannon to make a tank an MBT?
 

duskylim

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Dear rhino:

Here goes - I'll make a quick stab at it.

The traditional design criterion for a good tank is a careful balance of 3 basic qualities, firepower, protection and mobility. Sacrificing one quality over another tends to result in an imbalanced vehicle.

In a light tank or infantry fighting vehicle (IFV), for instance, mobility and an intermediate amount of firepower are emphasized over protection.

The result is a relatively lightweight (and thus, easily transportable), fast, quite heavily armed but lightly-armoured vehicle, unlikely to survive a hit by a heavier tank's main gun (or it's own gun for that matter) or even a large caliber automatic cannon firing Armour-Piercing ammunition.

Vehicles that were designed from the ground up to maximize all three criteria are termed main battle tanks (MBT's). Naturally the consequence of maximizing all three characteristics tends to result in a very heavy and very expensive tank.

If I had to choose the distinguishing characteristic of such AFV's (armoured fighting vehicles), it would be the heaviest, most powerful gun, mated to the heaviest armour that can be mounted. In most MBT's there is a sacrifice of mobility for these two qualities.

Historically, both weight and gun size of the MBT have been going up. Immediately after the Second world war, a tank like the T-54/55 with a 100 mm main gun, weighing about 36 tons would be considered an MBT. But nowadays that is just too light to do the job.

The Russian T-90 and the Chinese T-96 (both about 40 to 50 tons with 125 mm main gun) are about the lightest modern MBT's around. Later model Russian and Chinese tanks as well as their Western counterparts are much, much heavier up to about 60 to 70 tons, with guns ranging from 105 mm to 120 mm.

Sadly though, like the battleship, MBTs are diminishing in importance. Today everything is being downsized - including tanks. Greater mobility combined with heavy firepower is being emphasized over protection.

That is also because, (as the recent Lebanese War demonstrated) even modern heavily armoured tanks (like Israel's Merkava 1V) are vunerable to relatively lightweight anti-tank missiles.

Like the armoured knights of old, armies will give up heavy armour if it is consistently demonstrated that it cannot offer protection commensurate with the difficulty of carrying it around.

The ultimate expression of this concept is fact the flying tank, which has almost no armour to speak of, is vunerable even to small arms fire, but survives by mobility alone, and yet combines with that mobility tremendous firepower -the helicopter.

It will take another revolution in armour developement to change the present imbalance between firepower and protection.

Best Regards,

Dusky Lim
 
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leo_c_w

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PLA Special Forces patches for sale?

Hey everyone,

Not sure if this is the correct section to be asking in, but I was wondering if anyone knows where (if possible) you can find the PLA special forces BDU patches for sale (particularly the Tigers Teeth patches or the Snow Wolves patches I've seen pics of)? I've seen like one auction selling the Tigers teeth patches on ebay, but it has long gone.

If anyone can enlighten me that would be great.

And my apologies once again if this is posted in the wrong section. :china:

Thanks!
 

ahho

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Just wondering, have you guys heard this before???

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China trying to blind US satellite with laser. Does this even work??? My knowledge on laser is limited but using a specailly made laser to blind (as long as the laser is on) something at that distance is kind of hard.
 

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